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John TORLESSE [1627]
(1738-1810)
Anna Maria ROBINSON [1628]
(1765-1834)
HAWTHORNE [1625]
Jane CRAMER of Tipperary [1626]
Lieut Henry Boden TORLESSE R N [1622]
(1793-1843)
Frances HAWTHORNE [1623]
(Abt 1813-1843)

Frances Jane (Tassie) TORLESSE [145]
(1831-1885)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. Dr Edward LIVEING M.D. F.R.C.P. [100]

Frances Jane (Tassie) TORLESSE [145]

  • Born: 12 Nov 1831, Tasmania Aust.
  • Baptised: 22 Nov 1831, New Norfolk Tasmania.
  • Marriage (1): Dr Edward LIVEING M.D. F.R.C.P. [100] on 29 Aug 1854 in Stoke By Nayland SFK
  • Died: 3 Aug 1885, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX aged 53
  • Buried: 7 Aug 1885, Stoke By Nayland SFK
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Tassie returned to England aged 12 after her parents deaths accompanied by her father's friend Sir John Franklin, then Governor of Tasmania, who was later lost seeking the Northwest Passage. She travelled with the family from Hobart to Melbourne on the 'Flying Fish' 9 Dec 1843, then on to London on the 'Rajah" (Capt Charles Ferguson) in Jan 1844. Tassie shared a governess with Franklin's daughter Eleanor, some seven years her senior. This must have been a very difficult time for a young orphaned woman, Lady Franklin was said to be not an easy person to be around.
(The Rajah sailed on the 10th of January 1844 from Geelong carrying 12 passengers including Lt Gov. Franklin, 1287 bales of wool and one bale of sheepskins. The Rajah arrived in St Helen on the 28th of March, and then arrived in London in on the 8th of June 1844. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dferguson/genealogy/Capt.Ferguson/CKFerguson.htm)

On the eve of her departure in Nov 1843 from Tasmania she wrote an impassioned letter to her cousin in Launceston Sarah Williamson nee Glascott, pouring her lonely heart out to her : " My dearest and beloved Sarah, I never felt so unhappy in all my life, O that I was with you darling Sarah, I cannot tell you how utterly miserable I feel" "I do feel as if I was all alone in the World my own dear Sarah" A remarkable letter for a 12 yr old, see "Other Records" in this file.
Upon arriving in England however Tassie was embraced by loving relatives and happily settled into her Uncle Charles big family of similar age to herself, at the Stoke by Nayland vicarage.

Married
23rd ult., at Stoke by Nayland, by the Rev H. T Liveing, Vicar of Bedfont, Middlesex, Edward Liveing Esq of Caius-coll., Cambridge, to Frances Jane, only child of the late Henry Boden Torlesse R.N.
Ref: Ipswich Journal September 9, 1853 also Chelmsford Chronicle Friday, 8 September 1854.

1881 Census Tassie was living in London with Edward aged 49. She had two servants living in the house on the night of the 3 April 1881 Eliza Rider a domestic cook aged 28 of Lt Chesterford Essex and Ellen Cracknell a domestic housemaid aged 20 of Bishops Stortford Hereford.

In affectionate memory of Francis Jane, beloved wife of Edward Liveing M. D. of 52, Queen Anne Street, Cavendish Square, and only daughter of the late Lieutenant Henry Boden Torlesse R.N. who departed this life August 3rd, 1885. Aged 53.
Funeral at Stoke Friday, August 7th at 2:30
Ref: Red Book. Memorial card.

Frances died after a long illness
Bygone Days Pg 46

Deaths.
Liveing - 3rd., inst., at 52, Queen Anne Street, Cavendish Square, Francis Jane, the beloved wife of Edward Liveing, M. D., and only daughter of the late Lieutenant Henry Boden Torlesse R. N., aged 53.
Ref: Ipswich Journal 18 August 1885.

Death entry Sep quarter 1885 aged 53 Marylebone 1a 372 BDM
Picture pg 134 Bygone Days.

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1. Frances Jane Torlesse,: Letter to Sarah Glasscott in Launceston VDL, 20 Nov 1843, Hobart.
Liveing Archive 243a-b and 244a-e copy of 243
Frances was 12 at this time and had just lost her parents within months, Sarah Glasscott [23793] also was orphaned date unknown. She was possibly in Hobart, or down river from Launceston waiting to sail for Melbourne enroute to England

Monday 20 November
My ever dearest and beloved Sarah
I never felt so unhappy in all my life O that I was with you darling Sarah I cannot tell you how utterly miserable I feel, I hope I shall like them better than I do, I know dearest Sarah you will not mind paying the postage for this or else I would not write but it is such a pleasure for me to write to you because I know you will like to receive it from your dear little childe who will never forget you We are not going today but I suppose we shall go tomorrow if the wind and weather permits
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us, if I had been quite sure of us not being able to go till Wednesday I should have asked Miss Williamson to have let me come up in the steamer this morning but I should have liked to have asked her for your sake dearest Sarah for I love you all very dearly Sarah dearest I forgot to ask you when I was with you it is to write on paper the day of the month of Papa and Mama's and your own and dear Fanny's and Mr W(illiamson) birthday and both Papa and Mama
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and your own wedding day, dear Sarah I hope dear Mr Williamson will not forget his promise of yours and Fan and his own likeness which I shall value very much O dear Sarah I am very unhappy I do feel as if I was all alone in the world my own dear Sarah but it is a great pleasure to write to you and and (sic) in reading the dear books you all gave me which are very dear to me I shall never part with them. I have written to Fan and Mr W I wrote
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to you first and it would not do so I have been obliged to write this O dear Sarah I do feel so utterly miserable I cannot describe my feeling I do hope dear Sarah you will never feel as I am feeling dear Sarah but it is all in God's hands and all that happens is the best O dear Sarah I do feel so anxious to come and stay with you but if we never meet again in this life I do hope we shall meet in a better where we shall never be separated again.
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The Bishop left this morning and I wished I could have gone with him as far as Launceston to you I should then have been is as happy as I am unhappy now for I cannot tell you how I feel I am afraid you will think I am making a fuss about but I cannot help it I would not care how long a stay if I could only get to you my own dear Sarah. I should like to go doing them very much if
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you were all coming I do not know when this will reach you but I know I wish I was going instead of it. Write soon my own my beloved Sarah goodbye dearest I say goodbye with deep regret and sorrow as the time is far distant when we have any chance to meet but when we do will be a happy meeting and you beloved Sarah and believe me to remain your very affectionate and dear little Childe.
FT
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I did not know beloved Sarah I had so much room I thought I had filled it all up I really do not know what to say dearest Sarah I wish very much I had yours and dearest F and Mr W likeness but it will be a great pleasure to receive when I get doing I hope you will get it done in miniature and I will send you one if I can get
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it done I look forward in 2 or 3 years with great pleasure as I expect to see you. I must now go to bed beloved Sarah I hope you will all enjoy good health I hope I shall dream of you tonight believe me ever to remain your truly and dearly attached an affectionate little cousin
Childe F J Torlesse
I do wish I would see you oh dear I wonder what my own dear Sarah and F are doing I am very sleepy




2. Estate of Henry Torlesse: Letter to C M Torlesse from Wm Moriaty, 12 Dec 1843.
Liveing Archive: Image IMG 4126 & 4129
Letter shows Hobart & India stamps, notated
"Via. Bombay & Marsailles" stamped Colchester May 7 1844, addressed:

Rev C M Torlesse
Stoke by Nayland
Suffolk Colchester.
December 12th 1843
My dear Sir
In my former letters you were made acquainted with every thing which I had done in respect to the passage of Miss Torlesse. My present object is to enclose a Copy of a Bill which I have paid by a draft on my Agent for the amount. I have forwarded a Bill to Mr Hinxman which I have taken the liberty to draw on you (£45.4.0) in order to meet the bill I have drawn on him. It
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has been drawn at 60 days in the hope that it will suit more with your convenience.
I remain my dear sir
Very faithfully
Wm Moriarty
12th 1843



3. Frances Jane Torlesse,: Letter to Sarah Glasscott, 1844, Old Newton SFK.
Liveing Archive 245a-c

Copy of letter to my grandmother. MJ1
Please return
2 F H Torlesse2
23 Bultancy [?] Road
St Leonards on Sea.

Old Newton 1844

My dearest Sarah,
I suppose you will think I have forgotten you, but be assured that I have not.
We have only been in England a fortnight; I thought I should have heard from Tasmania before this - I must try and give you a little description of our voyage. We left Port Philip the 3rd. of January in very fine weather. We went out in an open boat off Cape Lewin, which is a very rare occurrence indeed. Two of the gentlemen used to amuse themselves sometimes with writing the latitude and longitude, the name of the ship and passengers, & say that we were all well and put it into a bottle and throw it into the sea in hopes that it might reach some shore. We had some albatross on board; they killed two and preserved them.
We met, spoke & signalised several ships; there was one we met three times called the "RUBY" The captain of her was so sure that he would be in first that Capt. Ferguson wrote by her, but we were in before her.
We touched at St. Helena but only stayed two days. It is a very rocky place; as you walk up the principal street, it looks so strange to see a large rock on each side of you. The name of the town is James Town It is so hot there that they grow tropical fruits. The people there are very sallow; there are some Chinese there; it is quite fortified has a drawbridge there are always a great crowd of ships and boats; it is very dangerous landing; there was a boy drowned while we were there. There was a 50 gun frigate called the "WINCHESTER" We went on board and went through it. The Admiral was an old friend of Sir John, so you may imagine how pleased they were to see each other. A ship of war is certainly a very beautiful sight
so clean and in such order.
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I began a letter for Tasmania from St. Helena but it was no use to finish it as I could not send it because there was no way of sending it. It was very hot on the Line; we had several calms and only two gales, and they were very slight indeed; the whole voyage was a series of beautiful weather.
We had very pleasant passengers and a very nice Captain - both Capt. & Mrs. Ferguson were very kind to me. I have had one letter from Mrs. F. since I left the ship. When we got into the Channel it was very uninviting indeed on account of the prevalence of easterly winds for six weeks so that there was an unusual crowd of ships in the Channel. It was like a Forest - some going up - some going down - they seemed to be flying about in all directions, and when we got into the Thames and in sight of land, it was busier. The steamers were flying about so quickly - I really did not know which side of the ship to look at - the steamers went so fast - so Capt. F. advised me to look at the smallest first because it went away the fastest. You can go by a steamer from London to Gravesend for 6 pence. The ships in the London Docks are quite packed. Sir John is a very funny man indeed. He used to call me whatever name he first thought of, sometimes Timothy, sometimes Toby and sometimes Tommy, and more, but I forget them. suppose you know that the "RAJAH" is a Scotch ship, a Scotch Captain and crew. Mrs. Ferguson is a very nice person indeed and a very good woman. I am very fond of her. When we came opposite Greenwich, Miss Williamson's brother-in-law came for her to Blackheath on Saturday evening and Uncle Charles Torlesse came for me on Monday and took me down to Stanmore to Miss Martin's for that night. The next morning we came into London by the railroad and went to see Sir john & Lady Franklin who had landed at Portsmouth. we then went to the "RAJAH" to say
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goodbye to Capt. & Mrs. Ferguson and after many other things which I really forget for my head was so very much turned not being used to the noise of London which you may conceive was considerable after the quiet of the sea. We just went into St. Paul's for a few minutes. At six in the evening we were in the railroad on our way to Stoke. It is 60 miles from London to Colchester, which only takes two hours to go, so you may imagine my astonishment at such fast travelling. Leaving the train, we went into a cab, which of course did not go so fast, so we did not get to Stoke till near ten. I was very happy; they were all so very kind to me and last Tuesday week I came to see dear Aunt Harriet (Mrs.Bridges) whom I am now with and am just as happy here as I was there. And now, my dear Sarah, you have heard my history so far. I think it is a pretty good letter to be written in one day.
Aunt H. says I am to tell you that you are indebted to her for a great part of this letter, as she mends the pens And now dear Sarah I am very tired. I know you will excuse my not writing any more just now, as I must finish to-day.
Give my love to dear Fanny and Miss Davidson, Euphemia and Lucy and all the little and large friends in Tasmania and accept the same from your sincerely affect. little cousin,
Fanny G (sic) Torlesse

Do write often.

1. This may be May (Mary) Torlesse [1765]
2. Taken to be Frances Harriet Torlesse [1681] author of Bygone Days, and presumed that she transcribed it, but questions remain as to this






4. Kezia Elizabeth Ferguson: Letter/poem to Tassie Torlesse, 27 Apr 1844, The Barque Rajah at Sea - Lat 21x10N Lon 35 x 29W.
Kezia Elizabeth Ferguson (pictured) was the wife of the Captain of the Rajah the vessel which brought Tassie to England from Tasmania in 1844.
Image courtesy David J Ferguson - 2020.
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~dferguson/genealogy/Capt.Ferguson/CKFerguson.htm)



5. Harriet Bridges: Letter to Miss Frances (Fanny) Glasscott in Tasmania about Fanny Torlesse [145], Mar 1845, Colchester post mark.
Liveing Archive 246a-f
This letter needs careful analysis as to its placement, see also Harriett Bridges [1634] the author of it.

Copy of letter to my Great Aunt Frances MT1
Please return 2
F H Torlesse2
23 Bultancy [?] Road
St Leonards on Sea.

(
Postmark) Colchester

March 1845
My dear Miss Glascott3,
I shall not attempt to tell you the amount of self-reproach my silence towards you and your sister has occasioned me. Again & again I have lost favourable opportunities of doing so, because at the time they occurred, I happened to have engagements upon my hands which entirely prevented my availing myself of them. I tell myself I might have written, as I am now about to do by the common means of communication & it is the neglect of this which causes me real compunction. I know you have heard and I hope more than once from dear Fanny (Torlesse) and that before, long before, this reaches you, you will have received intelligence of the most satisfactory kind respecting her, from her truly kind & affectionate friend Mrs Fergusson, and I believe it is this which has tended to keep my conscience less awake than it ought to have been. I trust, however, you will forgive me and give me credit for no diminution of regard towards those kind and tender friends of my beloved brother who ministered so faithfully to his comforts, and necessities during his long and heavy affliction and who soothed his dying bed by their love for his dear child. Your last letter to Fan. which she forwarded to me, and which I fancy she lost no time in answering, must have been equally grateful to her as to myself, inasmuch as it assured me that the dear girl has still a warm place in your hearts - for I include your sister as well as yourself - tho' I only address one - I know not whether my brother Chas or Mrs. Torlesse have written to you as well as Fanny. I am sure if they have not, it has only been caused by a great press of engagements - for their hands - like mine - are always full - and at this Season of the year especially - when the many wants of our poor people fall heavily upon the time as well as in other ways upon their clergyman, and have but scanty opportunities for correspondence. I daresay that what my letter may contain you may already have heard and perhaps with more detail. But I am sure you will not object to hear the same story twice told - when it relates to your late dear little charge - you are I think in possession of the reasons which determined us after much consideration and not without considerable regret on my part to fix upon Stoke as her home, though I feel as well as my brother - quite a joint interest in all that concerns her - and they are only too kind in consulting me on every detail. We have every reason to believe that our decision is the best which could have been made. The chief reason which determined us against Newton was the want of
companionship - our little girl being nearly 5 years younger than herself - whereas at Stoke - she has all the advantages of a first rate school without it's evils - We have been greatly blessed in our search for a governess - under whose conscientious care dear Fanny and her cousins are deriving daily improvement.
I have not yet seen this lady, as she was out when we last went to Stoke, for a few days. But Mrs. Torlesse is much pleased with her management of the children - and with the improvement they are making - and in the very last note I had she says - "Fanny has really been a very good and diligent child - and has been working hard" This is earticularly encouraging - because from the very long interval which unavoidably occurred since her education had been going on - under your kind care - she had got into desultory habits, and found it most difficult to apply herself to anything which required thought. She is certainly a remarkably sweet & most attractive child, and we cannot be too thankful that she was consigned to such hands during her long voyage to England - wnen she might have been permanently injured by flattery - or evil examples - whereas - all she seems to have heard and seen, was of a kind to strengthen right feelings and principles - and with the exception of Miss . . . . . to whose care she was especially consigned, everyone on board seems to have been kind and helpful to her. Truly we may say that "the Lord took her up" when her dear Father & Mother were so early removed from her - and I do trust that she may be trained and devoted to His Service - and if spared - may prove that the Seed so carefully sown, has not been in vain. Her attachment to her beloved Tasmania often makes us smile - and at first she was so jealously fond of everything relating to it, as really to prevent her finding room in her heart for anything English - Now, tho' I do not think see is a wit less fond of her native land - she is becoming a little more expansive, and I hope will feel less of a stranger among us - not that she is in the least shy or depressed. There is seldom a cloud upon her brow and we have often thought it remarkable that she takes her part and lot with her cousins so cheerfully, and merrily - and not in the least as if she had been a single child - at the same time, tho' they agree very nicely - the rubbing together is very useful, as it teaches many little lessons of mutual forbearance and self denial which could not otherwise be learnt. Her uncle Torlesse is extremely fond of her, and from the first she seems to have attached herself to him more than to anyone of her new friends. I wish my dear Miss Glascott you and your sister could peep in upon your little Fan and see how she is going on. She has a decided taste for music and will sing very sweetly. It comforts me to think that the "one thing needful" is put in it's right place by Miss Burrow the governess - and I feel persuaded that dearest Henry, could he have foreseen the arrangements which have been made, would have been thoroughly satisfied. The only persons not satisfied are my two boys, who think it a "great shame that Fanny should be more at Stoke than at Newton"! I hope Miss Burrow will consent to her pupils having a holiday at Easter when we have begged Mr Torlesse to let Fan come here. She is grown so plump since coming to England, that it mekes us less aware of her growth in height, and she certainly has grown - but her cousins are all tall, so that is another reason for our not being aware of it. I do not think she will forget her early friends, tho' we all know that the impressions of childhood are not deep and lasting. as they become in afterlife, and that the buoyancy and light heartedness of youth naturally fills up the . . . . . made, and at the time deeply felt in the heart, by the heaviest bereavement. It is our earnest wish that she should continue to correspond statedly (sic) with you, and I feel assured that you will do the same toward her - I know she has an interest in your prayers and we never cease to pray that she may indeed
and in truth be a child of God - that all that is so amiable and so lovely in her may be consecrated to His service - Who died for her.
My dear brother, I imagine often talked to you in the warmth of his affectionate heart about all his English relatives, so that I fancy you know all about us, and will be interested in hearing that through God's great mercy we are all well, both at Stoke and Newton . Our little solitary girl Anna Maria pined so for a companion - that we have succeeded in getting one for a few months, the child of dear friends at Ipswich, just her own age - and the effect is most salutary in every way. Our youngest child, about 20 months old is a source of great interest to us all, and not the least so to his two elder brothers, when they are at home for the holidays. This has been a sharp, long winter for them but they have enjoyed excellent health and seem very happy. It is now the 8th of March, the ground thickly covered with snow and sharp frosts every night, a most unusual thing at this season of the year for snow to continue for weeks on the ground, as it has now done - And now my dear Miss Glascott, I think you will be tired of my long letter - I cannot describe the strange and sad feeling, (yet unmixed with anything like repining) to write to Van Diemen's Land, and not to my dear brother -. Mr Bridges desires his kind regards. Pray give them to your sister and to all who loved, and were kind to dearest Henry.
Believe me your truly affectionate friend,
Harriet Bridges.
P.S.
I must not omit to mention Fanny's dear Aunt Davies tho' her health and distance have prevented them yet meeting - feels the liveliest interest in, and affection for the dear child. I wonder whether you have any means of ascertaining the fate of a young man who was transported to Van Dieman's Land from our parish last Sept. for house breaking. His mother is almost broken-hearted and to pacify her I told her I would make every enquiry I could. The ship in which he sailed was the "SIR ROBERT PEEL" Convict ship - bound, I suppose - to Hobart Town - but this, the governor of the prison to whom Mr. B. wrote did not mention. The poor young man's name is Osborne - It was his first offence, owing, I fear, to having indulged in bad company. He has a good father, but since his death, has been left to do as he pleased. He is banished for ten years. His companion and tutor in crime was a wretched fellow of the name of . . . . . transported for 15 years. If anything could be heard of them which I could tell the poor mother, I should be so glad.

Addressed to
Miss Glascott3
Wm. Williamson Esq4.,
Victoria House,
Launceston.
Van Dieman's Land.

1. This may be May (Mary) Torlesse [1765]
2. Taken to be Frances Harriet Torlesse [1681] author of Bygone Days, and presumed that she transcribed it, but questions remain.
3. Frances (Fanny) B Glascott [23797] Frances Glascott was unmarried,her sister Sarah married in 1845.
4. William Williamson [23781] was the husband of Sarah Glascott, they married in 1843



6. Francis Jane Torlesse: Sir John Franklin letter & Memorabilia, 18 May 1845.
Letter from John Franklin to Rev C M Torlesse, on the eve of his sailing to the Arctic to lead an expedition to traverse the North West Passage, the two ships and 129 men became icebound and all were lost.
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition

HMS Erebus
Greenhithe
18 May 1845.
Dear Sir
I thank you for your kind thought in sending me the MS note of Mr Collenson which is not without its value.
I am glad to hear good accounts of your niece to whom I beg my kind remembrances and good wishes, as do also my wife and daughter and Miss Gracecroft.
We sail early tomorrow morning.
Believe me
Dear Sir
Yours very faithfully
John Franklin

Rev C M Torlesse
Stoke by Nayland

A piece of Sir John Franklin's waistcoat given as a piece of "stuffy" to F J Torlesse (Mrs E Liveing) in 1844, on voyage from Tasmania to England on board the barque "Rajah" Capt Ferguson.

A sampler worked by Tassie Torlesse in her childhood in Tasmania

Liveing Archive - Red Book, pictures on file. Refer also letter to C M Torlesse [1633]






7. Census: England, 30 Mar 1851, Bear St Nayland SFK.
Frances is recorded as a visitor (of Thomas & Maria Fenn) unmarried aged 19 a fundholder born Tasmania Australia



8. Indenture of Release & charges: Funds in Trust from Estates of AM & HB Torlesse to F J Torlesse, 24 Nov 1852, Stoke by Nayland Suffolk.
Liveing Archive IMG 3358 - 3360

Release of funds Willed by Anna Maria Torlesse by her Will of 17 Jul 1830 held in trust for her son and his wife then on their decease to their surviving issue namely Frances Jane Torlesse. These became available to her 12 Nov 1831, on her reaching 21 years of age. They comprised £1341 5s 6d, Bank Stock, £304 4s @ 3% Consolitdated Bank Annuities, £454 17s 10p nett residue of the estate of Henry B Torlesse.

Charges by Bridges Mason & Bridges Sol., for above.



9. Bessie Greenup: Letter to Mrs Edward Liveing, 13 May 1855, From Paramatta (NSW).
Liveing Archive.

Mrs Edward Liveing.

Parramatta
May 23/55
My dear Tasy
I am so much obliged to you for your kindness in writing to me when you had so many other things to think of and also for the pretty pen wiper you sent me.
Mamma desires her kind love to you and hopes you are very happy and comfortable I congratulate you with all my heart dear Tasy and wish you every happiness. I hope you will not mind my calling you Tasy still. Aunt Eliza is living at Stoke again, I am so glad and love Stoke now next to Calue [?] and should very much like to
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visit it again stop I still love England as dearly as ever. We have a new Governor General1 he is just come from Tasmania and tomorrow being the Queen's Birthday he gives his first public ball at which I am to make my debut. I wonder whether I shall like it or not, I have every reason to think I shall.
Do you often go to Stoke I shall direct this letter to Mr Torlesse for you. How nice it would be if either Charles or Henry2 had occasion to come to Sydney
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how we should like to see them. I wonder whether we should know each other I always laugh at Minnie
about Henry and tell her he is sure to build her the house he promised her. We have had a dreadfully hot summer and are now going to have a very wet winter we have had the river immensely flooded lately.
How dreadful the suffering of our poor soldiers in the Crimea seem to be, do you like Lord Raglan3. I wish he was [?] out the Crimea at all events he might be a very pleasant person.
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. . . . . but I think he is very indifferent to the wants of his troops. We were not much surprised to hear of the Emperors4 health I know know whether hope it will end the war or not, for if it's stopped now it might break out worse in a few years while if they pursue the advantages they have gained now it may end it entirely. Are you not glad the French seem so friendly but if I were the English government I would be rather ashamed to see the English
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obliged to wear French uniforms and to let the poor men suffer as they do. How is old Monsieur Colbrant do you remember how vexed you used to be because he asked you such foolish questions when he was teaching you. I remember so well and he was sure you built [?] Colchester Castle. Poor Mrs Bogis and her suckers5 please tell her that Queen's are not always the happiest people in the world and I hope she is happier than most of them I do not suppose she remembers me at all.
I am very sorry poor Mrs Green has not been
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fortunate in business I am sure her nice cakes ought to have made her so.
I must now conclude or you will be quite tired pray write to me if you can find time for you cannot think how delighted we are to hear of you Minnie joins me in best love to you.
Believe me
My very dear Tasy
Your affectionate friend
Bessie Greenup

Footnotes:
1. Sir William Dennison 1804 - 1871. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Denison
2. Charles & Henry Torlesse then in New Zealand
3. Fitzroy Somerset 1st Baron Raglan, probably known best for unclear orders that resulted in the "Charge of
the Light Brigade". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FitzRoy_Somerset,_1st_Baron_Raglan
4. Napoleon III - Allied with the British & Turks against the Russians in Crimea War 1853 - 1856
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III
5. Suckerel - might be referring to young horses ?

10. Census: England, 8 Apr 1861, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Frances is recorded as a wife aged 29 a fundholder born Tasmania



11. Francis Jane Torlesse: Letter To Elizabeth Ambrose nee Liveing, 27 Dec c1869.
Liveing Archive: CD. Image 29a-b

7 Clifton Villas
Dec 27th (c1869)
My dearest Elizabeth
I thought you would like a line to hear how your father is I have just come to see him, & am glad to find him decidedly better he is in good spirits & does not feel ill at all his voice is very much affected but that seems all, so I hope in a few days he will be all right again.
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I hope dear you are better yourself we had quite a merry party on Christmas Day Robert and Adelaide dined with us and the children had their little tree. Now dear I must say goodbye with my love to John and yourself from your
Ever affectionate cousin
F.J. Liveing
Uncle desires his love to you
Stoke. Sunday
Taken to be a letter from Tassie to Elizabeth Ambrose nee Liveing

12. Census: England, 2 Apr 1871, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Frances is described as a wife aged 39 born Colony of Tasmania

13. Census: England, 3 Apr 1881, 52 Queen Ann St Cavendish Sq Marylebone MDX.
Frances was described as a wife aged 49 born in Tasmania Australia



14. Frances Jane Torlesse,: Card to her son William, 1883.



15. Frances Torlesse: Later in life & death, 1885.
Liveing Archive Red Book 089 Dorse.

In affectionate Memory of
Frances Jane,
the beloved wife of Edward Liveing, MD.,
of 52, Queen Anne Street, Cavendish Square.
And only daughter of
the late Lt Henry Boden Torlesse, R.N.
who departed this life, August 3, 1885.
Aged 53.

Handwritten - funeral at Stoke Friday, August 7 at 230.


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Frances married Dr Edward LIVEING M.D. F.R.C.P. [100] [MRIN: 74], son of Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98] and Catherine Mary DOWNING [97], on 29 Aug 1854 in Stoke By Nayland SFK. (Dr Edward LIVEING M.D. F.R.C.P. [100] was born on 8 Feb 1832, baptised on 8 Mar 1832 in Nayland SFK, died on 2 Apr 1919 and was buried in Stoke By Nayland SFK.)


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