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John TORLESSE [1627]
(1738-1810)
Anna Maria ROBINSON [1628]
(1765-1834)
Edward WAKEFIELD [1637]
(1774-1854)
Susannah CRUSH [1638]
(Between 1767/1775-1816)
Rev Charles Martin TORLESSE [1633]
(1795-1881)
Catherine Gurney WAKEFIELD [1636]
(1793-1873)

Rev Henry TORLESSE [1678]
(1833-1870)

 

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Spouses/Children:
1. Eliza (Lizzie) Henrietta REVELL [1679]

Rev Henry TORLESSE [1678]

  • Born: 24 Feb 1833, Stoke By Nayland SFK
  • Baptised: 15 Apr 1833, Stoke By Nayland SFK
  • Marriage (1): Eliza (Lizzie) Henrietta REVELL [1679] on 16 Jun 1857 in Kaipoi N.Z.
  • Died: 17 Dec 1870, Fernside Stoke Lodge Rangiora Canterbury NZ aged 37

bullet   Cause of his death was was after long chronic illness.

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bullet  General Notes:


Henry was an exuberant youth, he was school friends with Edward and Robert Liveing. On " July 4 1846 Henry planted a Himalaya Cedar tree in the Tendring (Hall) gardens".
Grieving for his sisters he sailed for New Zealand 1 Oct 1852, in the "Minerva" arriving 2 February 1853 in Lyttelton. He worked in partnership with his brother Charles. Ordained by Bishop Harper 29 Sept 1859, then Vicar Okains Bay Banks Peninsula, as Hospital and Jail Chaplain, he established a womans refuge, then was Vicar of Govenors Bay.
Bygone Days.

FOR SALE.
The Rangiora House, garden and paddocks, the property of Henry Torlesse, Esq. The value of the property is too well known, to require any comment.
Terms liberal.
Apply to MR. ELMER,
Rangiora, April 11,1859.
Lyttelton Times, Volume XI, Issue 672, 4 May 1859, Page 1

Correspondence to the Provincial Secretary, Canterbury. Many references to Henry 1850/1860.
Ref: Archway NZ.

GOVERNMENT GAZETTES.
By the late mail we have received Gazettes Nos. 48 to 52 which contain the following proclamations and appointments affecting this province: . . . . . The Rev. H. Torlesse is appointed postmaster at Okain's Bay.
Lyttelton Times, Volume XVI, Issue 952, 25 December 1861, Page 4

Picture of Okains Bay Church.
Ref.The Way We Were Pg 23 NZSOG

Diocesan Synod.
The annual session of the diocesan Synod was opened by the Lord Bishop of Christchurch on the 3rd inst. His Lordship in his opening address thus referred to the want of clergymen m the outlying districts of the province: " Since our last meeting wo have lost the services of three of our clergy, . . . . . and the Rev. H. Torlesse, the last I regret to say from severe illness.
Timaru Herald, Volume XI, Issue 469, 24 November 1869, Page 5

DIOCESAN SYNOD.
The Synod re-assembled at 4 p.m., the Right Rev the Primate presiding.
REV HENRY TORLESSE. The Rev. Canon Cotterill moved "That the Synod pronounce the Rev. Henry Torlesse to be incapable of duty, and entitled to a retiring pension at the rate allowed by the regulations of the Diocesan Clerical Pension Fund." It was gratifying to him to think that they were enabled to give anything at all in this direction. He believed that the sum to be received by the Rev. Mr Torlesse would amount to L55 a year, . . . . .
Star , Issue 461, 6 November 1869, Page 2

Henry's Death was reported in the Timaru Herald Vol XI Issue 469 24 Nov 1869
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD18691124.2.25?items_per_page=10&page= &query=Roy+Robert+Torlesse&snippet=true

Henry's death was registered in NZ 17 Dec 1870.

Deaths.
Torlesse - 17 December, 1870, at Rangiora, Canterbury, New Zealand, the Rev. Henry Torlesse aged 37, only surviving son of Rev. C. M. Torlesse.
Ref: The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, March 4, 1871; Issue 6882

Clergymen Deceased.
Dec. 17, at Rangiora, Canterbury, New Zealand, the Rev. Henry Torlesse, aged 37, only surviving son of the Rev. C.M.Torlesse.
Ref: Jacksons Oxford Journal March 4 1871 Issue 6153

bullet  Research Notes:


Much of the information on this family line comes from a Tree in the possession of J Harris (2012) thought to have been compiled by April Oliver

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bullet  Other Records

1. Census: England, 30 Mar 1851, St Stephen Ipswich SFK. Henry is recorded as the brother-in-law of Charles Holland unmarried aged 18 a scholar born Stoke by Nayland SFK



2. Henry Torlesse, Cir 1852, Stoke By Nayland SFK.
E Liveing Esq
Thorington St
Friday evening.

My dear Edward
Will you and Bob come to tea tomorrow (ie Saturday) night. You must pluck up for a regular onset as you won't have a chance for many a long day. I do so hope that Basil be well enough to come too. Mind don't failed to be here at six o'clock.
Yours most sincerely
H. Torlesse.
Ref: Red Book 090. Invitation to brothers Edward & Robert Liveing, possibly just prior to Henry sailing for NZ 1852



3. Henry Torlesse: To his friend Dr Edward Liveing, 1 Feb 1854, Rangiora NZ.
Liveing Archive: Images 35a, 35b, 35c, 35d.
This is an ambiguious letter of congratulations to Henry's friend Edward Liveing in London on Edwards engagement to Frances Mary Torlesse. Henry being unable to disguise his envy.

Rangioria
February 1st 1854
I have been out here just a year - how I long to see you dear fellow more than ever
My dear Edward
A heavy press of work alone has prevented me from answering your last letter directly I received it for I was in such high spirits, on receiving it, that I could have written you a right down good congratulatory letter from the bottom of my heart; but now I fear this letter will not half express the joy and satisfaction which I feel at the pleasant news of one of my most wished for results and of knowing that you have at length found the reward of your devotedness and perseverance; for I am tired and stupid and I have but half a Sunday to write in and that may be interrupted by the news of "pens broken down" "Lambs got away again," (which latter is of so frequent occurrence, that I always feel inclined to say with somebody in "Pickwick" who had a fat boy (Mr Wardle in Pickwick to the fat boy - in pencil in another hand ) who was constantly asleep, "Damn those lambs they've got away again" The reason of the hurry and bustle just now is that we
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are engaged in shearing - the sheep farmers harvest though thank goodness we have nearly finished.
I shall set down people who use the expression "quiet as lambs" as being decidedly not particular about telling the truth after the experience which I have had of these innocent creatures. I would tell them that a flock of lambs can run both man horse and dog off their legs and that for the first two months after weaning they are anything but quiet; but enough of these brutes and now to something more interesting but you have gone a head (sic) of me - I can no longer sympathize - I look upon you now as one who is removed into a higher region and I no longer can respond to the joy pleasant hours, walks & conversations with which you are enjoying with your dear Tassie - though you have got the start of me I don't feel jealous though I have every reason to be, considering that I so used to abuse you for your timidity and show you how I should do this and that - and yet fickle fortune disappointed my hopes and answered yours - and may she still continue to do so - for you well deserve it
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May Tassie prove to you (she - struck out) what you always persisted that she was "a perfect angel" During the time between the receipt of this last letter and the one before Ashton & I had many a conversation and many a surmise as to how things would turn out now. I took the sanguine side and yet I was taken aback when I heard it. I had just come down from the Minaki - (the outstation, at which place Arthur young Chuer(?) and myself had been living for two or three days in a tent) and as I jumped off my horse Charles and Alicia came to the door - "I say Henry what do you think? Edward has done it - he has done the ripping trick this time," (rather a colonial but very expressive way of describing anything that is sharply and nicely done) By jove I could scarcely believe my ears and I felt as pleased as if I myself were engaged to some jolly girl - but what I thought of most was that you would now sober down into a region of happiness and leave off being so eternally miserable and talking about Laudanum, opium, vitriol and such like horrible remedies for your grief - that you would come to appreciate
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yourself a little more - altogether I felt as I always have done that it was the happiest occurrence that could happen to you and the only thing which would really bring you out and get rid of that shyness and reserve which was your only fault. And as for Fanny - there could not be a happier match for her - with some of your firmness of principle, perseverance and common sense, instilled into her she will make you an excellent wife - I say this at the risk of offending you, but as I told you before I can only talk to you as my equal, I can't ascend into your Paradise, and you must condescend to come down - and I must talk as of old to my friend though hope you won't just go an (sic) tell Tas of all my sayings & doings - but she wants just a little attention here & there to make her perfect and I would venture to suggest just one or two little things which you in your devotedness to her might have overlooked and Dear Edward if I do say any thing which may hurt you it is quite
un-intentional and I do know that it is no more business of mine than so far as this that the man who is my best friend in the world is going to marry a woman of whom I know a little and I
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think it is my duty as a friend to offer him any suggestion which strikes me or to acquaint of anything which he may not be aware of. I always use Nobody is perfect and it is just the ignorance of this fact which makes people disagree. Some men marry - many do I dare say, with the idea that they are going to be united to a woman who is most perfectly suited to them whose disposition & tastes are wonderfully similar and who will always think exactly as they will do on every point - and with such expectations how often are they disappointed - How often do fear distrust and even dislike spring up between them. Now I am sure that a man before he proposes to a woman ought both for his own sake and hers to examine her disposition and tastes and compare them with his own, and, if possible, not to do it with the prejudiced eyes of a lover, but with the curiosity of phrenologists or a friend. If this were more often done and men married with the consciousness that there were some little faults to be corrected, in their wives - some faullt (sic) of temper, disposition, or taste to be removed by degrees - if they both were conscious that something must be yielded on both sides - then there would be much less of that mistrust and want of confi-
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dence which so often shows itself in public between man and wife and in the form of wrangling and snarling. In some few things Fanny is (or rather was; I do not know what changes her present position may bring about) inclined to have her own way even though not exactly right though I never knew the occasion that she was not altered in her determination by kind firm reasoning particularly in the case of what was right or wrong - I do not know whether you think with me on this point but I shall endeavour if I am married, to live as far from Town and town society as I can yet induce my wife to follow me. I think that women generally spend more hours & hours, and days & days in profitless humbug, in town; than they do in the country, and even by the disgusting laws of society they are not regarded as ladies unless an immense deal of their time (which ought to be given up to matters at home to their - husbands - children - servants) is taken up in visiting and making rotten morning calls.
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But I have said too much and I will stop. I know that I have been writing upon a point which is one of the most private and sacred but I trust to our old friendship, which no few words could dissolve, to forgive me if I have done wrong. The fact is that I am so afraid that if you are as devoted a husband as you were a lover, you will spoil Fanny, and you might be apt to overlook such little faults as everybody must plead guilty to.
In saying what I have done I have not meant to cast the slightest doubt upon the happiness of yr marriage from which I augur the happiest results, but I only mean to warn you that yr character will not fit like some of yr own machinery - there must be a little polishing & cutting away here & adding a little there: and perhaps if some Lady friend of F's (will write - struck out) who stands in the same relation to her that I do to you writes to her an admonitory letter, upon this important step she is taking, in throwing herself away upon you, she may say the same thing with regard to the husband as I have about the wife
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I envy you such a wife my dear Edward, if I could envy you anything, and I long to hear of yr being settled and comfortable and there is no sight , but that of my dearest father & mother & sisters, that I would rather see upon earth than you and Tas, as man & wife and all going well with you. I could write for ever almost, but "it's no" I can't - positively can't. C* has not been well lately (nothing particular) and I have had a gr't (sic) part of the working of the business to do, but thank goodness we can breathe again. The lambs are done - and now for a year's rest for all the rest of the work is a trifle. I am in a position to be looking out for a nice young woman to keep company with, myself; but if I saw a chance of getting home to England within the next two or three years I would not - and do not know that I can as it is - chooze (sic) from the colony, but I long to get married. It would improve my temper which has grown surly & bad with the return of my health I am perfectly restored, by the blessing of God, to good health. I have not had a symptom of pain for 5 months. I can work hard, live poorly, & sleep on the ground without injury now - in fact I am becoming what I promised to be, "a fine young man" - By jove how you would laugh to see me sometimes - dirty and shabby by the
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Campfire at night singing Annie Laurie varied with short clay (possibly a short clay pipe?) and hot tea with the very brownest of brown sugar in it - but this is very seldom - I can't and won't go on any longer I will give myself a week to write to all good friends as soon as I have carted the wool and stacked the straw & cut the oats - and made the bridge - and taken up some provisions and fire wood to the outstations I really will tell them so And now old boy my best wishes & blessings be with your union with with Dear Tassie - I cannot write what I would wish to say but may it be as happy as any thing mortal can be - Bob's turn must come next or else he'll be for giving me a good hiding when he comes out which I know he will do - but I will not fail to write again very soon
Yr more than ever
Affectionate friend
H Torlesse
*C is taken to be brother Charles Torlesse on whose farm Henry is working in Canterbury NZ. This letter is to Edward Liveing [100].



4. Henry Torlesse: Scrap of letter possibly to Frances Harriet (Tassie) Liveing nee Torlesse, 22 Oct 1857, Rangiora Canterbury NZ.
Liveing Archive.
The date of this letter is uncertain as Henry would have been married to Eliza in Oct 1857, perhaps that was the subject of the first 3 pages ?

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. . . . . my old songs. I now and then give my horse the benefit of a match which brings to my mind either Fanny or Amy Alan and my neighbours say that they know when I am coming for I generally tune up when I am getting near home. I used to sing a good deal when I was a visitor at Mr Townsend's, but now I have left my songbook behind me and they are fast going out of my head.
If you want to know what my course of study as; it is soon told. Lately I have been house building and water working and am more up to carpentring then I used to be. The shearing time a regular time of bustle and anxiety is coming on and I shall soon be up to my eyes in greasy wool.
Where is Bob and what is he doing he has quite forgotten me; but what can I expect. However I have not
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forgotten him give him my best of love and warmest wishes for his welfare and success at college. Also remember me most kind to all your family. Dear Tassie please write to me and let me know some what of your ungrateful husband and make him write himself. first you could sing [?] a letter to me. I give 20 to hear one this minute. But all in good time if it is please God, I may meet you again and renew in person our old French.
May God guard and watch over you and keep you from all harm both temporal and spiritual is the earnest prayer of your
Most devoted friend
H Torlesse
Rangiora
October 22 1857



5. Torlesse Family in England & NZ: 3 News Paper Articles, Abt 1983.
Topics.
The connections of Stoke by Nayland Suffolk and Stoke by Nelson New Zealand.
The Torlesse brothers Charles & Henry and their roles in the developement of early Canterbury NZ


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Henry married Eliza (Lizzie) Henrietta REVELL [1679] [MRIN: 552], daughter of Thomas REVELL Esq of Kaipoi [9303] and Margaret Elizabeth BREDDELL [10707], on 16 Jun 1857 in Kaipoi N.Z. (Eliza (Lizzie) Henrietta REVELL [1679] was born on 11 Nov 1835 in Newcastle IRL and died on 23 Sep 1922 in Christchurch N Z.)


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