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Rev George DOWNING [508]
(Abt 1727-1809)
Catherine CHAMBERS [509]
(Cir 1732-1802)
Samuel ALSTON [85]
(1721-1796)
Mary VANDERZEE [86]
(1740-1803)
George DOWNING [96]
(1762-1800)
Mary ALSTON [91]
(1761-1842)

Catherine Mary DOWNING [97]
(1798-1872)

 

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Spouses/Children:
Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98]

Catherine Mary DOWNING [97]

  • Born: 8 Apr 1798, Hatton Garden London
  • Baptised: 12 May 1798, St Andews Holborn
  • Marriage: Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98] on 11 Jul 1821 in Stoke By Nayland SFK
  • Died: 31 Oct 1872, Cambridge CAM. aged 74
  • Buried: 1872, Nayland Churchyard SFK

bullet   Cause of her death was weak heart.

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bullet  General Notes:


Catharine Mary daughter of George Downing barrister-at-law and Mary Alston was born in Hatton Garden on Easter Sunday the 8th day of April 1798 one o'clock in the forenoon. Was privately baptised by the Rev Mr Watkins curate of St Andrews on the evening of the above mentioned day and was admitted into church by her grandfather the Rev George Downing on 12th May 1798. Lancelot Shadwell Esq of Lincoln's Inn standing godfather, her godmothers Mary Alston and Katharine Downing godmothers.
This leaf I removed from my grandmother's old family Bible which was rather dilapidated on Oct 25, 1923 when I was about to leave my house. The writing is that of my grandfather
G. D. Liveing
the Pightle Cambridge
Ref: Alstoniana Pg 402B

Witness's to their marriage were Mary Downing and George Alston.
Ref Sudbury 4a 546 BDM

By the permission of the Bishop of Sodor and Mann.
There will be a
BAZZAR
At Horkesley Rectory.
On Friday the 22nd of September.
In aid of Leven Heath Chapel.
Any contributions of articles for sale will be thankfully received by the following ladies -
Lady Rowling, Tendring Hall.
Mrs Liveing, Nayland.
. . . . .
Ref: Ipswich Journal August 26, 1837.

Tithe Apportionment:
Owner: Mrs Catherine Mary Liveing. Occupier: John Davy. Parish of Westhall SFK. 16 May 1841. Plan in 3 Pts .185b - Pt of Brambles pasture 1a 0r 6p. 186 - The Glebe Piece arable 1a 3r 17p 187 - Church Hill arable 6a 2r 14p Tithe: Vicar L3 18s 5d, Impropriator L17 5s 11d IR 29/33/446, 30 December 1865.
Ref: The Genealogist.

Tithe Apportionment:
Owner: Mrs Catherine Mary Liveing. Occupier: John & Emily Davy. Parish of Westhall SFK. 16 May 1841. Plan in 16 Pts 135 - 150, arable & pasture 82a 2r 20p. Tithe: Vicar L6 9s 6d, Impropriators L17 0s 0d
Ref: The Genealogist. IR 29/33/446

Catherine endured great tragedy in the years 1843 and 1844 with the death of her husband, 10 Mar 1843, her daughter Fanny 24 Apr 1843, and daughter Sarah 22 Feb 1844.

Catherine is recorded as giving 1 to the Asylum for Idiots, Colchester, on March 19, 1858.
Ref: Precis Ipswich Journal 27 March 1858.

Catherine lived at one time with her mother at "Laurels" Polstead St, Stoke by Nayland. After her husbands death Catherine moved to Thorington St (Stoke).

Liveing Archive: Red Book 091
Memoranda by Dr Edward Liveing of reminisences from his mother Catherine Downing.
My mother (C. M. Liveing then Downing) before her marriage (1821) used to journey to her mother Mrs Downing from Stoke by Nayland to Leicester every 2 years or so, to visit at her uncle's Mr Samuel Alston (last residing in St Martin's Street opposite to St Martin's Church (Leicester Cathedral) and yard there and near more of Grey Friars) attorney at law. On their journeys (the last was about 1818) they were accustomed to sleep in London at the Bull and Mouth, Aldgate. My mother remembers it as a large Inn with tiers of galleries round a court yard, and that she used to be called by the watchman at 4 am. They then started without breakfast, by the Leicester coach (4 horses) via Northampton, where they dined, at other times (returning?) at Dunstable. She remembers waiting at St Albans and getting out to see the Abbey. At Leicester she was entertained at various gracing parties - cards and supper - glorious suppers. The older folks played whist and the younger loo. Also there were concerts given at the assembly rooms and dancing (ball) afterwards. Mr Alston married a Miss Sultzer - her father a clergyman where my mother does not remember, he died when his daughter was young and she, Mrs Alston, had a brother a haberdasher in Leicester.
Another journey my mother well remembers was a posting one with her mother and and Aunt Miss F.E. Downing, from Chobham in Surrey the residence of the latter (she lived just on the London side of the village, lodging at a carpenters she chose Chobham for her residence to be near her old friends and fathers former estate at Ovingbank? Tilbury - Mr King and his wife, who then held the living of Bisley and resided at Chobham) To Salisbury and Wells (sleeping at both) on the way to Mr Spencers at Keeville near Trowbridge Wiltshire. Mr Spencer married a Miss Bowles a first cousin of Miss F.E.D. He was rector of Keevil - his father was Dr Spencer rector of Wingfield nearby. He was a favourite of F.E. Downing very quiet not strong. No family. This (her only visit there) lasted a month.
It was at the Spencers that my mother made the acquaintance of Mr Hey, rector, of Steeple Ashton; great uncle of my old college friends Charles and William Hey. The former now a Minor Canon of Winchester.
My mother remembers getting up and going to service at 6.00 in a side chapel of Salisbury. At Wells, the day being 5th November, there was a Bull baited in the street, in day time dresses and so on. When they arrived and attempted to make for the afternoon prayers at Cathedral they found all the shops shut, and Miss F.D.'s fears were at once excited - she interpreting as evidence of some fever, or pestilence in the place. On enquiring they were informed it was on account of the Bull Bait, and shortly the Bull and dogs made their appearance and the poor visitors beat a hasty retreat and remained shut up all the afternoon. The next day they saw the Cathedral and went to service. The journey was performed in a "post-chaise", a vehicle which held three having a single seat. The body was flat and glazed (a sketch is included) in front like a modern "Boonghaus"? but swung on much higher springs. There was "a bar" in front but no driving box on it - a man could just lodge himself - if you wished to have a driver and not a Postillion - it could not be called a seat. The Postillion was paid 3d a mile for himself. Each stage was about 12 miles - a change of horses and Postillion taking place at each stage. The charge for horses was one 1s 6d a mile for a pair of horses. The turnpikes formed the only additional charge. The chaise was not changed at each stage but sometimes went over 2 stages. On one occasion my mother remembers sleeping at Speeham Land near Newbury Berkshire on a coach journey to Bath from London. There was a beautiful Jun? there. She well remembers Sedan Chairs in general use in Bath: . . . . . the ladies used to be carried to evening parties in them (a sketch is included). A few stood in Street. She does not remember them in London - they had disappeared there. They were carried on the footway. She remembers being carried herself. A few were in use at Ely also. To go out to dinner and tea.
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London and Westminster by John Timbs 1863
1815 Alderman Birch, Mayor. He was celebrated cook and confectioner at No. 15 Cornhill probably the oldest shop of its class in the metropolis. This business was established George I by a Mr Horton who was succeeded by Mr Lucas Birch, and he by his son Mr Samuel Birch born 1757 Lord Mayor as above. He was a literary man wrote the "Adopted Child"
This gentleman my mother well remembers when she was 21 years of age, lodging pro tem at Dr Behemores 2 Millman Street, Bedford Road, Alderman Birch came to pay her a legacy of 19 guineas fr Mrs Baldwin of St Leonard's Aston Clinton, deceased whose executor (she believes) he was. This gentleman was well known to a friend of my mother's father George Downing of 52 Hatton Gardens (Mr Charles Riverstone, bookseller was another close friend) and he proposed to his sister Miss (Maria) Downing afterwards Mrs Knottesford who much reciprocated his affection but her father and mother refused their consent on grounds of it being too worldly a life - that of an Alderman's wife in London!
After Mrs Knottesford's marriage - for years he continued to send her a 12th cake on 12th day to Stoke by Nayland.

Deaths.
Liveing - 31st ult., at Cambridge, Catherine Mary widow of Edward Liveing, Esq., of Nayland in this county, aged 74.
Ref Ipswich Journal Saturday Nov 9 1872.

Death ref Dec quarter 1872 aged 74 Cambridge 3b 303 BDM

Catherine is buried in the family grave under the Nayland Church East Window.

The Will and two Codicils of Catherine Mary Liveing formerly of 52 Queen Anne St Cavendish Sq MDX but late of Cambridge CAM Widow who died 31 Oct 1872 at Cambridge proved 18 Jan 1873 at the Principle Registry by George Downing Liveing of Cambridge University Prof of Chemistry, Edward Liveing of 52 Queen Anne St MDX and Robert Liveing M.D. of 11 Manchester Sq MDX sons three of the Executors at under L3000. Resworn Nov 1873 at under L4000.

Sale by Auction.
Valuable Freehold Farms
Messrs Lenny and Smith, instructed by the trustees under the Will of the late Mrs C. M. Liveing, offer at auction in the month of June, two compact and excellent farms in Westhall, and Brampton, near the Estates of the right Honourable the Earl of Stradbrook, in the occupation of Mr T. G. Davy, containing together about 216 acres.
Also a desirable farm at Crowfield, surrounded by estates of the trustees of the late Sir W. F. and Sir George Brook-Middleton in the occupation of Mr S. Shirman, containing 107 acres.
Particulars and conditions of sale may be obtained of Messrs Beaumont, Thompson and Beaumont, solicitors, 23, Lincolns Inn Fields, London, and the auctioneer's Halesworth.
Ref: Precis from Ipswich Journal 19 April 1873

Sale by Auction
Valuable Freehold Farms
At Brampton a short distance from a railway station, 3 miles from Halesworth and six from Beccles and Southwold.
Messrs Lenny and Smith, instructed by the trustees under the Will of the late Mrs C. M. Liveing, offer at auction at the Angel Hotel Halesworth, on Monday, June 23 at Four for Five o'clock precisely, in one lot, two valuable farms with suitable dwelling houses and buildings and 216 acres 3r 31p of sound deep soil arable and excellent pastureland underlease to Mr John G. Davy, for a term of which 10 years will be unexpired at Middlemas next, at the moderate rental of L341 per annum.
The property is entirely free hold and chiefly land tax redeemed.
Vendors solicitors, Messrs Beaumont and Co., 23 Lincoln's Inn Fields, London W. C.
Ref: Precis from Ipswich Journal May 4th 1873.

Miniature of Catherine as a child with E L Fenn Auckland NZ 1998.

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Alternative birth date 6 Mar 1798?

An unsourced slip of paper reads "The Fripps are related to us on the Downings side - my mother and Grandmama Downing used to go every alternate year to visit the Bristol cousins some of whom were Tripps - They travelled in fear of highwaymen" see picture file.

Thomas Harold Fenn always referred to Catherine as Aunt although she was his wifes first cousin

Liveing Archive IMG 2818 - 2836 catalogues copies of letters between George & Bridget Downing 1750 and other Downing and Liveing Letters.

Letter to Catherine from an unidentified friend Sarah Hinchcliff
Liveing Archive 46a-c LT5
Feb 2 Lee (1860)
My dearest Kate,
We rejoiced to think that you were pretty well when you wrote, and safely on your way so far towards dear Home, longing for you with all its in endearing belongings and there I hope you are now, well enough to get through your share of the Torlesse wedding. To us, the treat was indeed great to us all 3, of our meeting, short as it was, only to short, and it is
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a comfort to have chatted over "auld lang syne" and present and future - I only wish that you had not sustained such a heavy money loss, and that John had been spared the attack of indigestion which made us rather for the moment feeling it might have lasted longer --- I regret to find that Dr Todd is amongst the Times List deaths fearing your dear Edward may have lost a friend - my sincerely affect love To your dear girls who will ever be dear to me . . . . . . . me affectionately yours
Sarah Hinchcliff
I hope that dear Anna may soon receive comfortable Tidings from Capt H
Matilda and Henry come to us tomorrow
Yours very affectionately and deeply attached
Sarah Hinchcliff
what more can I add Dear old friend but my signature to the love wh ich half a century has ripened for eternity! in common parlance. I did fully share in all my dear sisters gretification (sic) on your visit. I know and feel you trust in the sincerity of yr . . . . . Chum.
EPC
Addressed:
Mrs Liveing
Stoke
near Colchester
Essex
postmarked London February 2 60
Note Mrs Hinchcliff to Mrs Liveing
Written on 3 half sheets (one cross hatched) both sides of one piece of paper

Letter to Catherine from an unidentified friend Eliz Parish c1970
Liveing Archive 47a-d LT5
Silver Hill Terrace
My dear old friend
I am very sorry to hear of your illness, whilst at Cambridge, such attacks, must leave you very weak, and it is a comfort to hear you are again close to My old friend Robert and his brother in Queen Anne St their medical care will I trust soon restore your lost strength
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and in such an airy part of London I should think London cannot be unhealthy - and with two sons close at hand I am rather surprised that you are meditating a change - before the winter - but I ought not perhaps to express any opinion on the subject - I have not felt the heat of the weather oppressive - partly I believe from staying at home and never exposing myself to the
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sun, or going out before the afternoon. My brother and his family are all returned from Suary - after various excursions in the county - they left London after two months - my brother came first with Arthur who had recovered from the whooping cough and I think my nieces are looking very well. Their letters when in Town were very amusing, and with my dear brothers I was never allowed to be dull.
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the Thos Hubbard's have been in Normandy at Le Havre the last month and are now dispersing having said home some of the children to Newbury. This dreadful war will bring home many of the English excursionists - and I hope St Leonards houses will be taken at present this place is unusually empty
Mrs Wm Turner has been here a month in lodgings on the marina - she is almost blind, and is an old friend and connection of the Turners
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I met Mr Wilson accidentally his is just returned from Suffolk and told me he had been at Polstead and Hadley and had seen the "Hall" which is almost come to an end -Mr Tynell/ Tyrrell ?- doing nothing - as the estate does not revert to him - I was surprised to hear of Miss Rowley being still alive at 82 - and still flourishing at Holbeeks/ Holbecks?
With kind love to yr daughters
Believe me
Dear old friend yrs most afftely
Eliz Parish
Addressed.
Mrs Liveing
52 Queen Anne Street
Cavendish Square
London
Postmarked Hastings AU 8 70
Noted: Mrs Parish to CML
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper

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Census: England, 7 Jun 1841, Bures St Nayland SFK. Catherine is described as aged 40 not born SFK

Census: England, 30 Mar 1851, 14 The Green Camberwell Dulwich SRY. Catherine is recorded as Catherine L Fenn sister-in-law to Harriet Fenn (nee Liveing) widow aged 52 born Holbom MDX



Letter Catherine to son Edward, 18 May c1853. Liveing Archive: Image Letter 8a & 8b
Stoke. May 18th
c1853
My dear Edward
I am often worry about your being so constantly confined to the hospital & and fully occupied besides; but I have seen Fanny for a few minutes since she returned from London, & and she tells me, you have promised her to resign the appointment if you find it injurious to your health which is a comfort to me. You probably know, Emily Holland was obliged to return to Brighton this week; & consequently Harriet could not go to Shipley as had been arranged: she is now at Denmark Hill I suppose & will most probably come home the beginning of next week. Last Saturday, your
Over/
Uncle & Aunt Charles came to Feering, to see Mrs Arnold who was considered worse than usual, but I have heard nothing since.
I have had a very melancholy letter from your Uncle Henry, who tells me he is not well enough to come here for change for four days having had a considerable discharge of blood from the bowels which has much weakened him but that he is better, & under the care of Dr Hall who has given him remedies to stop this effusion he thinks he has lost two stone in weight since I saw him & is afraid to move about much, for fear of a recurrence of the bleeding - I wish he would give up his clerical duties for a time, & take proper rest but unfortunately a Confirmation takes place at Sunbury? on the 14th of next month. I know you can't see after him now: & his spirits seem very low.
Over/
Mary heard from Robert yesterday he cannot accompany her into Yorkshire, until the 12th of June, as his examination begins on the 7th. Marion Corsellis, who is now at Colchester, will I believe return with them to Giggleswick. Anna has had a letter from Betty, she & John were at Copford last week for a few days: & she considers your Aunt Ambrose's mind as harassed & worried about poor Tom's illness & death as when in London I would go & stay with her, if I had a suitable servant to leave at home, but I have not yet succeeded in hiring a Cook which is very troublesome. I hope the Hinchcliffs will inhabit the Nayland cottage for two months: if I can get some furniture put in at a moderate charge - Mrs H. cannot walk far, & requires to be near a Church, & all the farmhouses around are situated at a distance - nor can I find any suitable lodgings for them elsewhere. I find Tom has been to see
Over/
you in your rooms. I doubt he will not like the Nayland abode. I am in correspondence with Miss Emerton, a lady at Oxford, who has been recommended to me as a Governefs by Mifs Worley, an intimate friend of dear Miss Stratford's & I think it probable she will come to us the beginning of next month - to have a stranger in the family, will at first be extremely disagreeable to us all, but I cannot bring my mind to send little Ellen to School, as all her sisters have been educated at home - Charlotte Waylen, went to the Margate Infirmary yesterday: Miss Beaumont kindly met her at Shoreditch & took care of her poor child.
James's knee is more painful & worse altogether than when you were here but he has not tried a blister, as Mrs Tweed told him, he must give quite up if he had one, & that it would confine him a long while, but I think he will be obliged to do so soon.
Over/
I do not recollect any thing else to tell you about ourselves. Accept our kind love, & believe me your very affecte
Mother,
Cath: M. Liveing



Letter Catherine to her son George, 27 Nov 1865. Liveing Archive: Images 3628 - 3630
Embossed at top of page.
Parkin and Gotto
London
52 Queen Anne St W.
November 27, 1865.
My dear George
I am sure you will be glad to know, that the difficulties attending the disposal of my property, have been got over at last, with the help of a Counsellors opinion about our dear Ellen's share she having been of age at the time of her death without having made a will. I executed mine at Mr Beaumont's office, on Saturday last - he previously gave me a note to read which he had received from your Uncle Henry in which he says, he had read the draft for my Will most carefully three times and that he thought it, a most equitable disposition of my estate, in which the interest of every child is equally considered, so I trust it will prove such, without any oversights in it and that it is made as your good Father would have desired.
Thank Kate for her last letter, it is very good of her to write when she has so much to attend to. How vexatious those workmen were, to go their own way about the balustrade, and not attend to your plan it must have worn out all your patience. I am glad your trees escaped the gales this time. I hope I shall not need any of Mr Davy's rent until Xmas but it is satisfactory to know you have received it.
My attack of indigestion has nearly left me - Charlotte has taken cold again, she seems very susceptible of it this winter, and Harriet less so. I will write to Kate soon and with our united love to you both, believe me,
Your very affectionate mother,
Cath M Liveing.
Note in red pencil - My mother as to her Will 1865

Census: England, 2 Apr 1871, 1 Sussex Villas Cambridge CAM. Catherine is described as head of house widowed aged 73 a landed proprietor and stockholder born MDX



Letter Catherine to her son Ned, May 6th. Liveing Archive: Letter 10 a & 10b
Stoke May 6th
My dear Ned
Anna has made a most diligent search for your green card but I am sorry to say without succefs
I think Mary may be able to bring your little case of bottles, & also your microscope to London, the beginning of next week, as she hopes to be
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able to come to Camberwell then, for she cannot get rid of the intermittent pain in her face, and thinks the change might do her good - Anna is also poorly: from indigestion I believe, or something of the sort; Mr Knottesford has invited them to Alveston on the 16th of this month; but I do not think either of
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them will be well enough to go there so soon. You shall hear again when I know what day Mary goes to Uncle Charles's I hope your lodgings will prove comfortable ones - I remember Gower Street well as Mifs Taylor lived there latterly. Poor Charlotte had a tooth stopped on Tuesday: & is suffering from an abscefs on her gum: so I have a forlorn set altogether
We write in kind love, & believe me ever
Your affectionate Mother
C M Liveing

Census: England, 8 Apr 1861, Thorington St Stoke by Nayland SFK. Catherine is described as head of house a widow aged 62 proprietor of houses and land born St Andrews Holborn LON



Thorington St Stoke by Nayland. Catherine lived at Stoke from 1843 to 1862 after her husband died, crayon sketch of her in later life


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Catherine married Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98] [MRIN: 65], son of Commander Thomas LIVEING R N [230] and Harriet HARROLD [231], on 11 Jul 1821 in Stoke By Nayland SFK. (Dr Edward LIVEING M.R.C.S. [98] was born circa 1795, baptised on 28 Oct 1795 in St Nicholas Harwich ESS, died on 10 Mar 1843 in Nayland SFK and was buried on 17 Mar 1843 in Nayland Churchyard SFK.). The cause of his death was acute throat infection.


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