Harriet HARROLD 
- Born: 4 Dec 1762
- Marriage: Commander Thomas LIVEING R N  on 7 Sep 1786 in St Nicholas Harwich ESS
- Died: 24 Jan 1837, Nayland SFK at age 74
- Buried: 1837, Harwich Churchyard
Harriet Harrold born 4 December 1762 about 4 o'clock in the morning inoculated for smallpox 29th of January 1768
Ref: Dr Edward L Fenns book of notes pg 44
Harriet, was an active mother and wife and a profuse letter writer. Numerous letters from Harriet to members of her family have survived. Harriet writes with interest, and conviction in the power of the Lord, for example, this description of the birth of her twins Thomas & William. "an awful day, never to be forgotten, my poor father died two hours before the birth of the first child, a dead father, two children born, a very very bad breast of long duration which excited great fear of a cancer, and no power to suckle my children, I praise God for supporting me through so great a trial"
Essex Record Office D/DU 206/10
DEED DEPOSITED BY GUILDHALL LIBRARY
Attested copy of will [for registered copy see D/ABR 33/372] of Sarah Stow of Harwich bequeaths to Mrs Liveing wife of Thomas Liveing of Harwich, gent., her double chest of drawers, two large china bowls and the residue of her estate, to Elizabeth Thorogood Liveing, daughter of Captain William Liveing silver milk pot, locket and beads, to Robert Liveing Fenn and Thomas Harrold Fenn, sons of Mrs Harriett Fenn a silver table spoon each, to Harriett Fenn two silver table spoons, to Elizabeth Mary Logan, wife of Thomas Logan of Harwich, surgeon two large china bowls, to Mrs Mary Sansum, wife of John Sansum of Harwich, gent. two china bowls, to Isabell Ann Kelly, daughter of Thomas Kelly of Harwich, mariner, six china cups and saucers, to her lodger Mrs Mann six silver teaspoons, L5 and wood and coal in cellar to Ann wife of Jeremiah Durrant of Dovercourt, gardener, 14 July 1830; account of executor of will of Sarah Stow, 1830.
25th inst. (a Wed) , at the residence of her son, William Liveing, Esq surgeon, of Nayland, Mrs Liveing, relict of the late Captain Liveing of Harwich, in the 73rd year of her age.
Ref: Ipswich Journal Saturday January 28, 1837.
Wednesday last at the residence of her son William Liveing Esq surgeon of Nayland in her 73rd year, Harriet, relict of the late captain Thomas Liveing formally of the Lady Nepean, Post Office Packet, on the Harwich Station.
Ref: Bury and Norwich Post Wednesday, 1 February 1837.
These reports appears to have Edwards name wrong.
THE WILL OF HARRIET LIVEING of HARWICH
Dated 27th November 1836
This is the Last Will and Testament of me Harriet Liveing of Harwich in the County of Essex widow. I give and bequeath all my estate and effects whatsoever and wheresoever whereof or whereto I shall or may happen to die possessed or entitled, unto and between the several persons and in the several proportions following - that is to say, one sixth part thereof unto my dear son William Liveing, one other sixth part thereof unto my son Edward Liveing, one other sixth part thereof unto my son Charles Liveing, one other sixth part thereof unto my son the Reverend Henry Thomas Liveing, one other sixth part thereof unto my daughter Julia Ambrose and the remaining sixth part thereof unto and equally between my two grandsons Robert Liveing Fenn and Thomas Harrold Fenn (children of my daughter Harriet Fenn) as tenants in common and appoint the said Edward Liveing and Charles Liveing Executors of this my will, hereby revoking all former wills by me made. In Witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and seal this twenty seventh day of November one thousand eight hundred and thirty six.
Harriet Liveing - signed sealed published and declared by the above named Harriet Liveing the Testatrix as and for her last Will and Testament in the presence of us - Wm Chantry of Copford Gent - E. Theedham of Copford Essex spinster.
Proved at London 1st March 1837 before the Worshipful William Calverley Curteis Doctor of Laws and Surrogate by the oaths of Edward Liveing and Charles Liveing the sons the Executors to whom Admon was granted, having been first sworn duly to Admr.
Copy of the Will on this file
Harriet's Harwich tombstone read: Harriet Liveing his wife who died Jan 24th 1837 aged 74. They were natives of this town where they spent their days endeavouring to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with their God. Not traced in 1999.
Harriet's letters below provide us, almost 200 years later, with a priceless glimpse into the daily life of this family.
E L Fenn 2008 - 2014.
Harriets birth date is taken from her letter of Dec 4th 1828 to her daughter-in-law Catherine, wherein she says "I have this day attained my 66 year"
Alternative birth date 4am 4 Dec 1762.
Their wedding may have been 17 Sept.
Transcription of Harriet's and other letters contain punctuation underlines etc as accurately as I found possible. E L Fenn.
Attested copy of will [for registered copy see D/ABR 33/372] of Sarah Stow of Harwich
bequeaths L.5 and wood and coal in cellar to Ann wife of Jeremiah Durrant of Dovercourt,
gardener, to Mrs Liveing wife of Thomas Liveing of Harwich, gent., her
double chest of drawers, two large china bowls and the residue of her
estate, to Elizabeth Thorogood Liveing, daughter of Captain William
Liveing silver milk pot, locket and beads, to Robert Liveing Fenn and
Thomas Harrold Fenn, sons of Mrs Harriett Fenn a silver table spoon
each, to Harriett Fenn two silver table spoons, to Elizabeth Mary Logan,
wife of Thomas Logan of Harwich, surgeon two large china bowls, to Mrs
Mary Sansum, wife of John Sansum of Harwich, gent. two china bowls, to
Isabell Ann Kelly, daughter of Thomas Kelly of Harwich, mariner, six
china cups and saucers, to her lodger Mrs Mann six silver teaspoons, 14
July 1830; account of executor of will of Sarah Stow, 1830.
Liveing Archive IMG 2836 & 2838 catalogues letters between Mrs Thomas Liveing and her family.
Note thought to be by Edward Liveing FRSP.
The Harwich folks in my father's childhood, used in the afternoon and evening to sit out on benches before their houses in the street. There were benches constructed to permanent supports but the seat was movable and taken indoors. Here the men and women talked and smoked and gossiped and took tea. Mrs Liveing (my grandmother) perceived? this a vulgar custom and would (not) indulge in it or allow it in her family.
1. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 30 Apr ?. Liveing Archive 138a-d LT12
2. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 183 ?. Liveing Archive 115 a-d LT10
3. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 31 Dec 183 ?. Liveing Archive 116 a-d LT10
4. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 21 Oct 1822 (year uncertain).
Liveing Archive 55 a-c LT6
Ipswich Oct 21
My dear Julia
As I am still at Ipswich I did not get your letter to yesterday and we may all readily agree with the wise man in that we are born to trouble - and you my dear child are not without your share we are very sorry you have had so much cause to complain and should be very happy to help and advise you but alas these assertions will not alleviate your anxious mind but this must observe that you should fly to that man to do your business she has frankly told you that he shall double the same before paid for the same business very much surprised me can't Mr Novell produce money again and do the business - your F says he doesn't know why Smythies should not do as well as Mr Alston for without he let you have his own money he still has nothing more to do with it than to seal the writings as its what he always charges for them of course we cannot tell how long his conscience may be but your Father (who is sitting by me says) tell them they must do as they think best for I know not how to advise for the best you say Smyth requested Mr Aln to abate but I don't understand what Alston had to do so as to make an abatement - I wish Ambrose could sell instead of mortgaging to Betts a dreadful think to do with law and lawyers
how short lived as human happiness - for close on the heels of pleasure follows pain - why does God permit troubles to cluster upon u & I but, that we may be tired of this one this punish? world - and be preparing for that world where trouble and sighing will never come - and yet, how it's allurements drawers and fastens my weary soul down to earth - notwithstanding the many struggles it has soar to the heavens - Good God help me and help all my dear ones safely through - I heard a most excellent sermon yesterday from 6 Gallations 7 and 8 verses - look for them we were admonished to take good heed what seed we sow - to be very careful not to sow tares with the wheat - for a harvest will surely follow according to what we sow - and in that harvest day my naked uninformed soul must stand before God alone and no shelter can then be found for it - no friend can secure it for the fiery avenging arm of a just God - if - I have not put on the Lord's Jesus Christ - and as directed the same chapter to try ourselves - to prove what our works - what sort of seed we have sown - may you my dear Julia profit from considering this chapter I well know we ought not to be slothful - we are commanded to work - or we have no room - to expect bread to eat - but I heartily wish Ambrose was not so much cumbered with temporals - for I fear the eternals are much forgotten - this is as much cause to fear doing too much - as being indolent - and meandering time - that way is the right way, I pray God to lead us for Christ's sake amen. We have had a dreadful weather - and it is still bad - I am thankful to say that Willm escaped Saturday and Sunday nights storms - which ushered many souls into the presents (sic) of God - prepared or unprepared for the solemn event - I suppose you heard of the loss of the Yarmouth cutter and 30 of her hands Capt Saus (sic) whose sister depended on him - Sally Ballads half brother was first mate was also lost - and poor Richard Smith - who used to sail with your father.
Saturday a boat upset in Ipswich River with the Master of a Collier and his mate and an Ipswich lad who took the opportunity of coming with them in the hope of seeing his father and mother all were lost - the Bell tolls - may be for them - for they were picked up on low water and brought here the master's wife is near confinement if she had any regard for him - what must her sorrow be - Lord hear the cry of the fatherless and the widow.
I had a letter from Aunt Downes on Saturday - who says that if we like to come - or rather to go to the funeral we may cram into the coach - but Aunt (being preinstructed) told Uncle we had no wish to be there at that time - but had rather go after his return from London - she adds the interment will not take place before eleven o'clock on Wednesday next (I suppose a vault is preparing) she says she has not seen her brother look better for years his toe is still diseased - but nevertheless he means to go to London on Monday 28 and proposes writing to you to procure game but I doubt not but he will be glad enough of ducks if you can get no game - by the way we have had no game at all this season we have sent Dutch ducks here and more . . . . . . instead - but nothing has been sent to Mr Feeling - should you be fortunate to have any to spare that will be worth sending to him shortly - pray do not forget it - pray has Mrs Round taken off as much as will make it worth Ambroses living in the farm - it was well you went you need help your husband when you can for he has a heavy burden on him - poor little boys finger - a sad thing for him and should think if his bowels are not open he should take something to open them for frequently one whitlow follows another and perhaps you may prevent it could you keep a poultice on the finger - should he have another - if you can persuade him to keep his hand in water as hot as he can bear it and as often as you can it will tend to bring it forward - you did not mention babs eyes so I hope they are quite well I think was (sic) you to feed the child it would make him better your milk would agree with him better - Mrs Feelings used to bruise meat for her children in a mortar as if you were potting it and your Aunt Harrold used to chop meat exceedingly small and add gradually - the child was three months old while I was there - pray try - and perseverance - Catharine dont like to eat but she is determined not to give it up and I hope you will do the same it will be better for you and the child too, I know - if the child has purging give him what your Uncle ordered for poor little Sally when about his age 3 drops of paragorie (Elikser) and 2 drops of hartshorn - I suppose she took it 2 or three times a day Harriet used it for Robert - F - says give my love to her dear and tell her I shall go home on Wednesday morning - his bowels had been well opened - and I got 5 leeches on his temples and he was bless God much
I forget to say that money for the horses and gentlemen is come to the bank a good job - 41 - what a mercy they escaped the stormy weather - and with such passages God give as a due sense of all his mercies
F often mentions John - he is now saying he is as sweet a creature as it ever was born.
Should you have occasion to write to Ipswich I shall write Aunts address - Mrs Downes opposite Mr Ransoms Tobacconist St Clements Ipswich - I should be glad to know how Mr Brents business is settled - but am afraid F should see the letter
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better but everything takes effect on him or reading your letters he complained this struck his heart - and then flew to his head I do what I can do keep him quiet but I cannot guard him every way my Aunt talks of coming home on Thursday or Friday I should think Uncle will not let her come so soon but there is no saying what he may do - I know she will not stay any longer than she can help - she wishes me to stay till she returns. Willm took the mail on Thursday we can't help feeling anxious for him if they are out F says they must have a bad passage God forgive and save him and them all your F is better on whole I go without supper because he should not have any - many times when I want it very much we have not had any lately - H is very weakened and she make such are fuss because the cloth is not laid she is but a poor eater and wants and enjoys supper and like to have it in the usual way - I am glad you are likely to have a hand and earnestly hope that she may prove worth having - among her good qualities you did not mention her honesty I hope you enquired after that material point - F says tell her not to put herself too much expense for mourning - God be forgiven your guide your father your all to all eternity and also be the God of your husband and children prays your affectionate mother
Thank you for the trouble you have taken respecting cloths
Mrs John Ambrose
Noted: Hall Mark of paper 1822 - Tom Ambrose & Baby. from Ipswich 21 Oct Mr & Mrs at Ipswich whileAunt Downes away at her brothers E Betts to some funeral Ambrose mortgage and Mr Alston Storms & loss of Yarmouth Cutter Capt Sares & 30 men.
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper
5. Harriet's Letters: To Her Son Edward, 1823. Water mark 1823
My dear Edwd
Your letter very much surprised and vexed us, poor Mary! She appeared so much better before I left your house that I was led to think only weakness remained the effect of indisposition - as you could not see that her dissolution was so near of course her friends were not informed of her dangerous state in time to come and see her before her departure. We are very sorry for her and for you all everyways - I can't put her from my mind long together - I have no doubt that you have done everything for her that you thought best for her which is a comfortable reflection in the midst of trouble, your family being so large I don't know how you have managed with a corpse in the house - it's many years since I heard Mr Hoadee remark on the sudden death of a man who was killed at once by a kick of a horse "that death loves to lay in ambush and to seize on his prey when the object little thought he was taking an aim at him" it came forcibly into my mind that your poor object did not see deaths aim - as you did not, till her thread of life was spun almost to the very end. This, and various other instances ought to convince us of the necessity of keeping our end always in view if we value our souls Eternal Welfare we must do so for if we so far forget God to allow ourselves to live in any known sin it is at the peril of the soul not to be prepared then for the shaft of death, we must live a thoughtful, careful life in the fear of offending God and fearing ourselves least we should offend Him. The Psalmist says "blessed is the man that fears always"
Now dear Edwd there are two important points respecting you
that are on my mind and burdens me very much, I have before the present time made up my mind to write to you and say how sorry we are that there should be a disunion between Henry and you and Charles - alas that brothers should live as aliens - surely there ought to be a lively affection kept up between children of the same parents. What can be much more desirable in this world than kind affectionate friends - if ever so poor and mean yet if their heart is towards us they may in some way add to our comfort - if then the meanest friend may find a way to serve us they are so far an addition to our own happiness then let us prize them accordingly - surely then it must be a sin to quench the flame that ought to burn bright in the hearts of brothers and sisters - I have written to Henry (by this nights passed) on the subject (I don't mean to exculpate him for he is sadly self willed). I have endeavoured to set some of his faults before him and to convince him that it is an unchristian thing not to live friendly with his brothers and that I should write to you on the subject and that I suppose Charles was with you or would be in a day or two but as you were sadly situated with the corpse in the house you could not conveniently meet there but I hoped as you would all know our minds it would awake an opening and lead to a happy meeting which I pray God may never more be shut against each other - for how can you expect to meet in Heaven if you are disjointed on earth? I also added this as he was your junior, I hoped after my letters to both he would make the first advances.
And now comes the second point I wish to set before you - I was repeatedly grieved while I was with you to hear you speak so short so rough so unkindly to the dearest friend
you have in this world. Now although I am fully persuaded that you have a great affection for her and would do everything in your power to prevent any one else from using her unkindly yet that you should trifle with her feelings astonishes me, her disposition is so mild and she bears a strong affection for you I doubt not, which makes her put up with your cross manner quietly, but if you think at all, you must be aware that you stab her to the quick, wounding her feelings very much, neither do you regard bystanders who witness your positive rough replies. You will say in you have no intention to hurt her - why then allow your self in such strong appearances? I remarked that the very same words you used sometimes - had they been spoken in a milder softer tone of voice and in a less positive way would have fully answered the purpose you intended and without giving pain - I can but marvel that as it has pleased God to give you good sense and a mind that quickly deserns between good and evil - that you do not strive to get the better of your rough unpleasant temper, every way it is desirable to take such a happy resolution for your own sake for your wife's sake and your children's and inshort for all your friends sake and also the sake of the afflicted and poor with whom you have much to do - a soft persuasive manner with the sick helps to comfort and relieve them where a rough manner chills and adds to their sufferings it hides many good abilities you have or at least mars them - for a good act done in an unkind manner half cancels the obligations - if you at all value the advice of your mother you will take a strong resolution to get the better of a failing
that does you much harm in soul if not in body and harms much good you do and disables you from doing much more you otherwise might do - I know you cannot do this or any other good act in your own strength without the help of God therefore offer frequent ardent prayers for divine help adding your own hearty endeavours and God will (if you persevere) in his good time give you victory.
I trust dear Edwd that you will give attention to what I have said, you will have come differently in the outset but the event will be happiness to you and yours and blessedness to yourself hereafter I heard a person say if Mr Liveing had a softer more persuasive manner he would very much add to the good he does now. I earnestly pray God to send his blessing on this my endeavour to set you right remember it is your mother that writes and from an affectionate motive she does so treat it not lightly I have advanced only truths and they are all important and had they been set forth by an abler pen they would have appeared more striking and would in a manner have compelled you to performance, but I am willing to hope that a parent's heartfelt desires may prevail - and I am sure it will add much to the comfort of your affectionate bosom friend think should it please God to take her from you what an addition to the poignancy of your grief it would be that you had wantonly wounded her very many times by short rough and unkind reply's
I have said enough and O that you may profit.
Remember us very kindly to all our friends
And believe me your affectionate mother
I have sent two stools they are for you
they are wet which is the reason that they wont open
this letter was begun last evening
Harwich Saturday morning.
Original in Fenn archive Ref L13
6. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 27 Mar 1824.
Liveing Archive 50a-d LT6
My dear Julia
We are surprised that you have not written as I said Father says write for fear I should alter my mind, and knowing how unwillingly he leaves home you might have been almost sure that he would not go - I hope illness has not prevented your writing - for I have some fears that way -F has been to the Office and he hears Paddle drives the coach tomorrow, he intends sending this with the eight pounds enclosed by him we therefore beg that you will be sure to write and let us know that you have got it - as to Father he has taken no notice to pay any more of the bill - and without Ambrose writes and urges it - very much nobody knows when you will get it - he is a man whose word is not to be depended on its plain or he would not have thus flown from the bargain he made - F - says ask how the poor little boys do - poor little lambs, poor things bless their little hearts. Poor Mrs Easton has walked into the village last week for the first time since last September she has had a narrow escape for life - Mr Eneser is infirm and not likely to last long he has a complaint that weakens him very much - poor old Mrs Hibblets is very sadly, I don't know whether she will get out again - and old Mrs Elliston is very sadly drooping by degrees into eternity - so my old friends are leaving
me - what a word - leaving me did I say - I may leave them - Aunt Downes was much as usual when I left her she bids me always remember her to you - says she has the interest of my family at heart as much as I have - by the way she is forced to consent to take 3 and a half percent for her money instead of four which is a sad loss to her but we did not know how to advise her better.
We have been saying what a good thing it would be if Ambrose could get his mortgagee to let him have the money for 4 percent - or if he could get only half a percent taken off I would try him at 4 percent - first. We expect Mr Scott will call off - I tell your F it will be better to submit to it if he does - for you can't make so much in the stocks of it - money is but of little value now - we heard from Henry this week - he is very hard at work he tells me preparing for college - he speaks very highly of Eve - as a worthy upright man - who altho he has four more pupils added to his care - he does not at all abate of his attention to him - I suppose he is well as he does not mention to the contrary - he desired his love to all his friends - Charles writes that his business is not yet settled but he hopes it will be settled before he comes into the country one way or another - which he expects will be on easter monday - or rather he intends coming to see us at that time - I suppose you will see him sooner - Willm we learn got to Cuxhaven
last Wednesday night - he did not get over before the east wind caught him - he takes the mail tomorrow - Louisa is very well she can suckle with only one breast - Elizabeth grows and improves - appears to have as fine a bust or chest as her mother she is quite genteelly made nurse says - she appears very intelligent and very lively and strong - . . . . . is so fond of her - is there any likelihood of our seeing you and Ambrose - I think the time long since I saw you - Uncle Betts was very well when I heard of him - Edwd writes that Fanny has had the thrush 2 months which did not annoy her much - but it did . . . . . her mother very much - and he . . . . . had a sore throat and violent cold . . . . . which confined him several days but they are all well now - remember us all kindly to Ambrose and kiss the dear lambs for us - pray God bless you all accept our united love your afft Mother
Harwich March 27, 1824
Harriet had a letter from Robert saying that they were both very well and that he hoped she would not forget the 27 day of the month was his birthday - Sally has told me to be looking out for a maid - but added I shall not have you get only if Arnott begins to look out - O dear I dread a change
Mrs John Ambrose
Noted: March 27, 1824, random addition has been done on the address panel, as are childish scribbles in pencil on all the pages.
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper
7. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 28 Jun 1824.
Liveing Archive 49a-d LT6
Harwich Jun 28, 1824
My dear Julia
You will say I do little else but write letters to you - I wrote by Mrs Deane which I suppose you received - and also by Willm - which may be he forgot it contained our strong desire (amounting to prohibition) that Henry should refrain from the use of a gun . Harriet thinks that he is with you - but I think you meant next Thursday - and not the next day after you wrote - Willm will (if it pleases God) take the mail on Wednesday so he will be down tomorrow night or he must travel all night to be at home on Wednesday morning - the purpose of this letter is to give you the information you desired respecting Mrs Harold. I had a letter from Uncle in consequence of one I wrote to enquire how he got home, and how Uncle Betts recd him & he tells me he saw you and your youngest son and Mr Ambrose - and that he thought you were looking very well - and also that Uncle Betts treated him kindly and remembered him - altho it was 30 years since he last saw him - Uncle soon broached money matters - but I don't know whether he mentioned his intentions towards him - but then Charles had told him Sir Ewen had left him L7000 (what an unlucky tongue Charles has) Uncle E told him he was sorry that the information was incorrect - that may be interest and principal
may amount to that sum - but that it was unlikely that he should get all the latter or possibly not half - and not at all probable to obtain the interest - Uncle E has seen Charles since and told him of the blunder he had made - but Charles says Uncle Betts was mistaken he only said that about L7000 was due to Uncle E - and not that he had received it - and promised to explain the mistake - it does not appear that Uncle did more than call at Edws for he says "it so happened that I did not see Edws eldest little girl when my brother and I called there the young lady was not forthcoming - but the youngest was very familiar and a pretty child and the next day when the elder came to return my visit and brought her doll to introduce to me I was gone out with my brother to call on Mr Whitmore and unluckily missed him - he came to call on me at the same time - and was gone before our return" he goes on to say that "Mrs Harold had been much more indisposed in my absence than when I left him she is still very poorly indeed - but nothing occurring to present she with Amelia Harriet and Julia - will set off for Horksley on Thursday 1st of July I hope they will reach Whitham that day - and Horksley to an early dinner the next -" my being able to give you this timely notice I hope you will be somewhat prepared to see them - perhaps as her appetite
is very bad she may be glad of a glass of wine and a biscuit with you - I hope John will be at Mrs Ambrose or somewhere out of the way - without he could behave better - mind how you speak yourself - the Misses will catch everything you know - do pray have that intolerable grass flat mowed it makes you look so disordered - so wilderness like - I should like to come and stay with you till all my company was - if John was not in the way for I could have no comfort . . . . that poor child so humoured and spoilt . . . . . two excellent sermons yesterday upon . . indeed - and being a hypocrite . . . . . on religion for being half a Christian or almost a Christian will not stand as instead - to fit us for heaven - we must not only have faith - but we must study obedience - we must - shew our faith in God - by our works - which is being obedient to the word of God - want of due - considerations leads us to ruin - we may have faith - and God's holy spirit for asking - without which he that knows his own heart must be convinced that he can do nothing as he ought to do - the expending of time - is a great crime. Lord help us to improve it more to the Glory of God and to working out our own salvation we have a holy God to do with - and it is expressly told us that without holiness no man must see God in heaven - O that it may please God to quicken as by his holy spirit that our thoughts be more with God, and that our attention may not be so much taken as by this worlds pursuits as to make us forget the care of our souls God has promised to give his holy spirit to those who ask - believing they shall have what they ask - God will be importuned continually and earnestly all must be in earnest all we but mock and affront the Majesty of God and if we are indeed in earnest God will grant this request in his own good time for Christ's sake
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accept our best love to not forget us when you pray to God - I do forget to recommend you to the mercy and guidance of the Almighty we much need each other's prayers - may his everlasting blessing be on you and all yours which is the ardent desire of your afft Mother
Mrs John Ambrose
Note: Jun 28, 1824
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper
8. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Cir 1825. Liveing Archive 118a-c LT10
9. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Cir 1825, (This date is a guess!).
Liveing Archive 56 a-d LT6
My dear Julia
Tom certainly looked very well when he came - he ate a piece of beef stake (sic) for his supper - and took some Porter - which I expect did not make him better - Harriet attended him by his bedside - when she did all she could to get the pills down - but instead of which they would come up - although he did all he could to prevent them - then he took the powder - which operated in the same way - as he brought up plentifully - I expect it was the means of relieving him - as he has been better since - but a dose of calomel now I think is necessary - and I hope you will manage to get one down better I had seen Edwd when eating his supper - and just going to swallow a mouthful put the pill into it - it goes down without trouble - I expect then the bear? idea of taking it made him bring it up.
We have had a scrambling? kind of a ten weeks wash shirts and small linen put away without ironing the other part has been mangled and in putting it away I find a miss of two of my better most stockings which I wore while with you - and I hope I have left at your house - one is numbered 10 the other 1 your poor father has been very unwell since our return
he was particularly unwell yesterday - he complained of his head so very much as being stopped up and was altogether very unwell - I could not get him to eat a piece of meat - I am thankful to say that he is on the whole better today - he had a tolerable night's rest thus far goodness and mercy follows us - as for myself I am very unwell - having such a cough on my chest that I could not rest - I have a very bad headache - and queemish - I feel afraid of influenza again it may be that these miserable feelings may arise from my taking a double portion of laudanum last night I was tempted to take so much as my stomach is sore and the cough distressing.
Mrs Downing returns tomorrow and takes Anna with her - she has been as good as she could be - she is indeed a very nice child - she is I think the flower of Edws family - I mean in person - poor Mrs Logan is still as much confined as ever I think it's a month to day since the accident - she has been kept low - for fear of inflammation - pain - and starvation has reduced her much - sometimes her spirits are tolerable - but at times she is much overpowered - says the pain, and cramp of laying - is more trouble to her than her broken leg - it's a most wonderful thing how her leg did break - she was not getting over a stile, for she was some yards from it, the grass from being so dry - and the ground rising - (for it happened in Mr Pattrick's field) somehow her foot slipped and her leg snapped without her falling she tells me she eased herself down, with their hands and her well leg - surely her bones must be peculiarly brittle
it's enough to make one afraid to stir. I am sorry to tell you we lost your little basket - with all its contents - it was tied to the iron that goes across the Chaise and I thought it swaying in safety - the driver tied it on - when we got as far as Mr Thorogoods the eggs dripped onto my cap box - not that it did any hurt as I had put several papers over the top - it ornamented the poor man's coat which he shaked several times - and drew around him - the appearance you know was not very pleasant - he looked at it several times - I assured him it would come off when it was dry or would wipe off with a wet cloth - he replied - O yes he knew that - and tied the basket further from him - but of course he did not secure it well we were very sorry for the loss of eggs and fruit - which you kindly deprived yourselves of for our sakes - we comforted . . . . . was that we had not lost our lunch and beer which we found very acceptable - the soda bottle was in the basket - which we were sorry for as I can't get such another - I know not whether there was anything else in it - as you packed it up. Remember us all kindly to Ambrose and accept our united love - may God ever help and keep you and yours - O keep the end in view - never lose sight of it as this is the only time you have to prepare for a happy eternity - what can concern you so much? Think what the contrary state must be - and O dreadful without the End - no mitigation - O God of heaven help us all and enable us to consider our state - before heaven's gate is shut against us - I can help wishing that Ambrose had not so many engagements - so many ways - to make you both forget the care of the soul - which is indeed the one thing needful (sic)
endeavour to impress on your children's minds the vast importance of their soul - and describe Eternity in the most lively colours that they may learn to avoid death eternal - and thro Christ's atonement enjoy a blessed state - tis your duty to warn your servants also for we must give account to God for what we have done that we ought not - and for what we have left undone which ought to have been done Life and death are before us all - O choose while you have time that death takes you not unawares - I have sent the sermon book I hardly
know how to part with it - but have no right to detain it - read the ninth sermon - with attention may God bless the perusal - your affct Mother
I better I wish Ambrose did not keep from church - nor read newspapers on a Sunday bad examples take more effect than good ones
I am sorry that your eyes are not better - patience I expect will alone cure them - try the allum and egg Monday noon.
Noted: date? mentions Aunt Anne a nice child Had just returned from a visit to Copford Mrs Dowling & Anne staying at Harwich
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10. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 14 Feb 1825.
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My dear Julia
I don't know whether you saw Louise and Willm but they meant to stop and say how do you do if the coachman would let them - but at any rate she had no opportunity to tell you how ill she is without she was obliged to end her journey at your house - she was not at all fit to leave home - she has an inflammation in her womb bought on by straining herself in dancing her heavy child up, as high as her arms would reach a great number of times together - we have repeatedly begged she would not do so, for my part I have even been afraid that the child would jump out of their new arms as she is so active and strong - but she is not given to be advised, and in this respect she dearly pays for it - we all know her complaints must be a dangerous one - Mr Logan says although she has had much pain and has been really very ill - and has lost her appetite as well as almost all her flesh - yet the inflammation is but slight - or she would have been much worse - with care and medicine she may be restored - but she is in a bad state now - Willm stays at home this voyage for the first time since he has been Capt nd now I expect his stay will be short altho the Packet is gone to Cuxhaven.
O what dreadful account the last Packets brought from thence from the dreadful wind and high tides vessels were driven miles into the fields, and a house floated across the haven and came so near Capt Deane as to touch his cable - what strange events vessels in fields and houses swimming - and there was a corpse in a house (your father remembers the house quite well as it is opposite to a public house and is half a mile from the Haven) which was so filled with water that the body was floated of a table - it is their customs not to put the body into the Coffin, until they are going to bury them - the people were much alarmed, as well they might they were in fear for their lives as well as their property - there was a house on the rope ground which was filled or carried away - however the master of it made his escape from it on a piece of timber which floated past it but could not help his family who were all drowned his wife and three children and a servant - what a dreadful thing - and many more dreadful things there are that we know nothing about - it is 106 years since they had such a tide in that part - it pretty well demolished Mr Stevens ropewalk - I mean fences, and part of the buildings and cottage he had there he let for seven pounds per year is nearly all gone, and several people in those other buildings were so flooded they were obliged to get out with their goods - indeed they must be all much alarmed
had the tide come one inch higher, the whole marshes and Randfields ropewalk would have been under water - there were three or four high tides here Harriet was so unlucky as to cut the tape and used it, which you sent for a measure of Thomas's head before she was aware of what it was - so she did not like to venture on a new cap, without knowing what she was about the one now sent was Roberts which she has done up and made rather smaller - which I thought might do for a time to run about the grounds in - I don't know that caps become your children, but the seal skin are the most durable I rather think hats look better till the children are taller, but you may form some judgement by this how are the children I don't expect to hear that Johns lameness is better, I think that is a standing complaint Your Uncle told Harriet that an attack of palsy is very common to children, only they do not tell parents of it generally, as they would be frightened - and as the child almost always recovers from it, they don't even suspect what has been the matter with them, and he had hoped yours would have done the same but as it had been so long standing, he feared he might not be much better now - however you will I have no doubt do your part in the hope of helping him - has he learnt to speak yet? and does Tom speak like other children, pray do what you can that he may not learn Johns jargon take a little
pains to get him forward and make him speak like other children of decent parents, try to put proper words into their mouths, as well as endeavour to make them speak and don't let them be unlike other children as far as is in your power - I wish enough they were put to some decent school, that a regular attention might be paid to them, and that their manners and minds might be forming - they are in the way to hear much more than they ought to learn now I am sure - for we are all much more prone to acquire evil, rather than good, and wrong impressions early form'd are not easily eradicated, mind Julie the care of the soul is a vast charge, and as mothers generally have the care of the first years of their children rather than their Father's, a great charge rests on them to strive to lay a good foundation to build on hereafter, it is of the utmost consequence remember don't put it off by saying it is time enough - it's never too soon to begin so good a work when reason begins to dawn, children know much more than parents are often them aware of see for instance, how soon they show anger, and revenge - how soon they discover what they may do, and what they may not do, by looking at your countenance, whether you appear serious - or if you smile - if the latter they are sure to do as they like, whether you have said don't do so, or not, these and any many more remarks you may make, which will clearly show you that they know more than you had
Supposed, and of course you at the same time discover that there is the great necessity for your care to implant early virtue" as Gay say's and to pluck up those noxious weeds which would check and spoil so good a work - I am aware from sad experience - that our best endeavours often fail - I often remember too, many errors in my own conduct, which wanted correction, and which I was perhaps not aware of them, all I can do now, is to warn my children, that they err not in the same way - and to look up to God for a blessing on my weak endeavours that they may have the desired effect - I never give a letter of advice to either of you but it is accompanied by praying for God's blessing - I am also convinced that children of good and wise parents, often fall short of their parents hopes - nay altho they have had a pious example set them and much care has been taken to form their minds right yet they have turned out bad characters and have brought their parents with sorrow to the grave - for as I remember Mr Hacks once said, you may set them a good example - and direct them in the right way, but you can't give them grace - no that can alone come from God and for which it is our own bounden duty to pray for - discouraging as this description may appear, yet there is much comfort to be drawn from having acted our part well - we at least deliver our own souls in this respect
How long is it since we have seen you cant you spare time to come? is not this a leisure time? I need not say we shall be glad to see you and yours perhaps Ambrose can come with you, can't Mrs Groom keep house for you ? I hope she will do you the kindness to direct you how to manage your washing, if she would be so good to be with you one time, and would superintend for you so that you might wash without so much trouble and wear to your linnen - Harriet has been giving me some account of her method and how well her linnen looks - Mrs Groom told her, there was management wanted - so I hope you will learn - I certainly would, if I had white water try it, but with such dark water as ours, we should have darker linnens than we now have I expect - the weather is thank God better - I hope now the worst is over, how mercifully the Packets have been preserved in the midst of such stormy weather and in such a succession of adverse winds, how much reason we have to be thankful and bless God for his goodness and in particular for your Brother's safety, for although he escaped much bad weather by laying so long in Cuxhaven he has been in many gales this winter - they had only stormy weather all the time they laid their and at last when they did get out it was not fit for them to come but they were anxious to get
to get (sic) home - and they lay at Holland in all the bad weather they get home on Tuesday just before dinner and Mr Cose made them go out on Wednesday - the people had not time to get their own messages nor indeed could things to all that was needful for the vessel - they worked till it began to grow dark, and were obliged to go then - we had a fine fuss - Father was not in his best of tempers.
I suppose you saw the death of poor Miss Louise Fennings - she had not been well for months, but went out occasionally, she was confined the last four days, but they did not expect her death. Mr Logan called that morning but did not see her, as her sister told him she was asleep he replied he would not disturb her but would call again soon - he had scarcely gotten to his house before they sent to tell him that she was dead to his great astonishment - and a very great shock it must be to them all they were all at breakfast except one of her sisters who sat by her bedside who thought she looked queerly and ran to the next room to call the maid to come and look at her when they found that she was dead what an easy departure out of this world into the next she must have poor thing I hope as she had so long a warning that she was prepared to meet God her death was caused by water in her
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head, she has complained a long time of pains and weight in her head - but she never told all her ailings - so that Mr Logan had to work in the dark - Mrs Logan told me - it appeared like a sudden death at last - see- see - how necessary it is always to have death in view, so much so at least as to be preparing to go if it should please God to call us in a sudden -
I have written so much you won't have patience to read it - I will only add our best and United love - I pray God to bless and keep you and yours believe me your afft Mother
Harwich Feb 14, 1825
Miss Dutton was married while William lay at Cuxhaven, her husband is a shipbuilder his name is Boef - she sent a piece of cake I have sent you a taste of it - he is a young man but has been married before and has a child about a year old - he is a German a respectable man one who will look after his business.
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11. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 5 Sep 1825.
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My dear Julia
Your Father has hastened me to finish my breakfast that I might write in time for the coach to ask you if you are not coming very shortly to see us. I as well as your father think the time long since you have been here, and it is now some time since we have seen you any where - we have been quiet in time of harvest knowing that you could not well leave home then - but now surely it must be all in - at least other people have done or nearly at some time since - as it is so long since you were here we hope you will manage so as to stay some weeks with us, if you can get no one else that you like better to keep house for you, your old nurse is no doubt a trusty person, get her to come, her harvest is over, I should be glad to add something to what you may give her to induce her to come tell Ambrose he must continue to let you stay with us. We shall be glad to see him with you to stay as long as he can make it convenient - William sailed for Cuxhaven on Saturday, they have snd (sic) windy weather; Batten who sailed with him, is forced back as he carried away a part of his rigging, and it is wonderful that his mast did not go with it, he spoke Willm as he came back who was near him - they were all well - thank God - poor Mrs Mortalman died yesterday morning her husband is in great distress for her - we have continual warnings to prepare to meet our God - O that we may be wise in time, that we may be acceptable of being happy in eternity.
Accept our love I can no more . . . . .
I was a few minutes too late which we were sorry for - I suppose Ann Mac Donoughes marriage was in the paper so it will be no news to tell you that it took place on the first of this month, her husband is Miss Wallis's brother the Clergyman - who I am told is 39 some say 40 years old, she was 18 last february a great disportion he is also in ill health - you may remember how bad he was some years ago - it was thought he was then in a decline I saw him but it was so nearly dark that I could only see that he was tall and thin - and I have been told by five different people that his countenance very much resembles our Church Clerk - they bear an astonishing likeness of each other they say - he does duty at Saffron Walden he lives at Hartis close to her sister - Susan Wallis and King are first cousins you may remember - I have now asked Father if he has anything to say he replies no - only give my love to her bless her heart and I shall be glad to see her - Aunt Downes has been with us nearly a fortnight - Harriet is gone home with her - they left us last Tuesday - on Friday they hired a donkey and cart and went to Dedham to see Uncle and Harriets children - they heard
from Edwards account to me that Uncle was not at all likely to come and see us this summer as he is so lame so my Aunt wishing very much to see him took that mode of convenience he was very glad to see them Aunt writes that he looks, and is well in health but his feet are a great trouble to him and he has also a sore in his leg - have you seen him - or is it a twelve months since. Should you come in your chaise if you have opportunity I would go that way - not that there will be any occasion if it is not a long time since you saw him - I would do as you talk of doing send him some fowles - or game when it suits you - because I think it will . . . . . please him - and I can find that altho . . . . . he goes no where, he is pleased with the respect shown him by the invitation - mind - if you ask him you must say, when you get better Sir, if you will pay us a visit, Ambrose will come for you at any time, if you will let us know, and will take care of you - and we will do all we can to make you comfortable - he told me my brother had offered to come, for him - and Edward had done the same but he said, I don't go anywhere, but I shall come to see you every summer while I can - he appeared to like to be asked, he seemed to speak of it with pleasure - if you do go put your white veil on he like smart folks should call on him all ways tells Mrs Prior of the carriages that stops and the fine folks that he has calling on him - Aunt Downes has said more than once she should like to take such a tour as she did two years ago and go and see you all - I am expecting my Brother - Catharine writes that he talks of coming this week - and he did say something about staying all night - I wish you were here - Harriet is now at Nacton - and Mrs Elston some time ago
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she should come home with her but I don't know whether it will suit her now - she would like to see you I am sure remember us to Ambrose and the children - I pray God bless you all for ever - if you are not likely to come soon pray write and tell us about your harvest - accept our love and believe me
your aff Mother
Mrs John Ambrose
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12. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 12 Nov 1825.
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Harwich Nov 12th 1825
My dear Julia
At last I am able to tell you, that your Brother arrived this day, all well thank God. I may indeed well say thank God that they have been preserved in the midst of dangers, toils and deaths, and brought home in safety, what a mercy! When so many have met a watery grave. I suppose you have read of the dreadful loss of very many lives - there has been four ships wrecked near us - the crews I believe all saved - since last Thursday week - it's dreadful to read how many souls have rushed into eternity whether prepared or not - amazing thought! an awful transition out of this world into an everlasting state - what is drowning but sudden unexpected death as much so, as when any one falls down in a fit - as poor Mr King - and poor old Dormant who after his supper smoked his pipe - and was going to bed - but went into the privy first - but on his staying longer than usual his wife went to see after him - when to her great astonishment found him sitting on the seat, quite dead - O! that we may take warning by these awful events - and learn to live with our eye ever fixed on God - remembering the strict account, we must all one day give him how we have spent our time - how we have employed the talents he has given us. God not only looks at our words and actions - but he regards our motives - as well and will judge us accordingly to the thoughts - and intents of our hearts - nothing even there can be hid from his all piercing eye
let us my dear Julia pray to God, to enable us by the existence of his holy spirit, to search out our hearts, that we may learn the vast number of sins we have committed against God and our own souls - and entreat his grace, to repent heartily of them the fruits of true repentance is faith, and obedience - in other words newness of life - the sudden death of so many of our fellow creatures, should urge us on to this great work, talking of it will avail us little - we must put it into act if we hope to be accepted through atoning blood - now is the day of Salvation - tomorrow may never come to us - any more than to old Dormant - and to so many - many more - the apostle says, "no you not God's goodness, and long-suffering, leads to repentance"our church directs us to pray for a "due sense of all God's mercys that we may be heartily thankful" and that we may work out our Salvation with fear and trembling - by this you may see (as Mr Carr said in our old church) "that it is not an easy thing to be a Christian - for St Paul says the work must be done with fear and trembling - with trembling for fear of a offending God God says "to this man will I look that trembleth at my word" but if we do not read God's word - and meditate on it after reading it - we shall not be likely to tremble at it - good Lord help us when we read or it will be but a dead letter - and we shall not profit by it. Pray take care and train your children in the right way - for if you do not govern them now - you will not be able to lead them right when they grow older - consider what an amazing value the sole is if - and what a dreadful thing it will be, to be found on the wrong hand - somebody says "the reason many parents fail in helping their children is - because they do not set them a good example - and others who use their best endeavours do not water them with their prayers - do not bring down the dew of heavenly grace by earnestly entreating God for Christ's sake to help them O may God give you grace to do your duty to him to your family - and to your neighbour amen, amen.
Willm had a very bad passage of eight days but God kept him through it - they were only three days in coming home - Wadling and
and (sic) the Oskar came in with him - Bridge came in the day before W dont expect to sail till Saturday, his turn is to Holland, he has been twice to Cuxhaven - we were sorry to hear of poor Mrs Ambrose is serious in disposition, I think with you, that under God, you were a mean of preventing her having a fit, which might have proved fatal - give my respects to Maria, and I hope she wont persuade her sister to take any beer, till Margit . has a degree of poison in it, to her, and she will no doubt experience it if, she takes anything so injurious to her - as beer makes much blood - and much blood had nearly brought her sister to her end - pray remember us very kindly to Mrs Ambrose and say, we are very glad that she is better and that I am much obliged for the good things she intended for me, and altho I did not partake of them, I feel her kindness equally the same - poor Miss King - but why do I call her poor - if she is rich towards God - she is blessed - and much happier than . . . . . and . . . . . and all the golden toys of this world . . . . . could make her - you tell me she said much to Ambrose doubt not but she was aiming to promote the interest of his better part I wish it may have taken the effect she desired, that he may be finally benefited. I hope he has not let what she said slip out of his mind - the words of a dieing friend are generally sacred and are generally deeply impressed on the mind they are addressed to, in particular, if he imparted the conversation to you - you should endeavour to bring it to his mind - for much affairs of this world - as Tobias said to St Paul, makes him almost mad after them, I hope he won't increase his concerns - but try to curtail them. F - don't think you will have any coals, Billingsley said they were scarce and a number of colliers have been lost since this bad weather - H seemed to . . . . and . . . . . about them so F thinks you won't have any of his procuring Harriet desires her love and if she lives will come and see you another time - I have not been to Ipswich for fear I should spend money F says - I pray God to bless and help you directing you right in all your undertakings accept our United love - remember us kindly to Ambrose - give my love to your children and I hope they will learn to be good children, or they won't go to heaven when they die
I should certainly have written before but I was desirous of seeing Willm first being sure you would be anxious about him - I hope you have sold all the corn you could get out for most likely it will be lower lower - believe me your aff Mother
it is past ten o'clock your F is calling out about bed Uncle Betts has a large hole in his leg and desires Edd to look at it every week which is more than E can conveniently do - Robert has been at Eds house a good while - as he has had two more gatherings Ed took him home to see after him and to put him up - he has returned to school a fortnight as he is better - it was very kind of Ed to take him they have had a letter from Chesham but Uncle did not mention his own or his family's health so hope they are better - Louisa is looking better but when carrying the child she sometimes feels the pains which she has suffered so much from - tell John Elizabeth desires her love to cousin John - once more God bless you . . . . .
I have opened the parcel to put a pair of socks into it - fearing that you may have neglected yourself and not worn any - now I do beg you will put them on at once.
Notes: Nov 12, 1825 Uncle Betts illness violent storms at sea.
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13. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 2 Dec 1825.
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Harwich Dec 2nd 1825
My dear Julia
I have had a letter from Aunt Downes who wrote because she wished to tell me of your welfare and to desire, when I wrote to you, to give her love and thanks, for a very fine fowl, very fat and good. Mr Elston told her that you was pretty well, and that John was much better behaved than formally which she was truly glad to hear, and you may be sure we are all glad to learn of an amendment, pray take care to employ the change to the very best advantage, ever have and eye to soul - the soul of your children your own soul and your husbands "a word in season how good is it" but the Apostle says in season, and out of season, at all times, have Salvation in view, it is the great estate for which all (who are not blind to their own everlasting happiness) will ever be striving to obtain, the eye of God is ever upon you, and he sees, and knows, your endeavours and the motives on which you act and you have his gracious promise, that he will give his holy spirit to those who ask in faith - believing - and waiting - and expecting the blessing, to guide you into the right way, it is an important trust to become a parent - the older I grow, the more I see, the enormous charge - and the great danger of giving a wrong bias to the mind - or in not paying strict attention to check any wrong tendencies - and also to be very careful to set
a pious example, your servants also, you may have many opportunities of giving them a friendly warning and in helping them forward - use the means whenever you can - God works by means. And when you act from a right motive, (which is the glory of God and the good of souls) the promise runs, if you benefit not those, you intend to serve, your pious endeavours, shall turn to the advantage of your own soul - it is an imperative duty of every Master and Mistress to warn their servants - as well as their children and to instruct them also. We have a great work to do and daily - and hourly need help from above - therefore according to your necessity pray not only upon your knees - but an ejaculatory may be offered up at any time, or place - you gave away - or lost a little book I bought every one of my children - if I live to go to Ipswich I will buy you another, when I hope you will read it so often as to carry it in your mind - and should your children live to be able to read, I hope you will let them read it also - for if they don't understand it, yet if it is impressed on their minds, hereafter they will most likely call it to remembrance, and may act on it, pray buy Watt's hymns for children they say read a little, and you more than a little to them - and as soon as they are able to understand, explain and enlarge it to them - be striving as soon as possible to lay in a stock of religious knowledge in particulars - and may Almighty God be with you to bless your endeavours
Mr Elton also told my aunt that he had left Charles well on Thursday last I had a letter yesterday from my Brother who says "Charles was here lately to complete his three guineas worth of shooting" so I suppose Mr Elston brought him but Harriet says no, she expects he was at Nayland when Ambrose was in London dear creature he is always running after pleasure I never fail to set it forth to him that "they who live at pleasure are dead while they live" change of air and exercise I know is good for his health, and he takes good care to get it often, as possibly he can. We are much obliged for the cream you were so good to send, we gave Louisa a part of it - I beg that you will not send us any fowles, we can help ourselves twice a week - and therefore I beg you will sell them as soon as possible fat or lean sell them, and don't run the hazard of having them stolen - if you can't sell the lean ones for so much, sell them, it will cost you for fattening them you know. Uncle tells me Catherine expects to be at large two or three weeks longer - if this account is right I (shall if nothing happens to prevent me) be going soon I forget whether I told you, Catharine has agreed to let me remain at home till she is in bed, when Edw is I suppose to come a part of the way, or send a part of the way for me - had Catharine not made a point of my being with her I should have declined but she has taken into her mind that I can be serviceable to her, wishes it
so I have consented to go, your F being desirous also your Father has given me leave to have a shawl so when it suits you buy one for me if you can get one the colour of your scarf I should prefer it and a coloured middle I don't like a plain middle as it is not likely to wear so clean as those that are coloured If it suits you to pay for it I will send the money directly, some way or another, if it does not suit say so and I will send it first I suppose those you saw were good ones or you would not have called them nice. Mr Hansend? has only one of the kind which is very low prized, but at the same time it is a very thin and ordinary it is 17s or 18s - I think those you saw was 33 or 35 shillings I would not mind a few shillings more if it was so much better suppose I say 38 but not to exceed 2 pounds neither do I wished to go higher than the price you mentioned but I would like to have one with some wear in it as it will last me as long as I shall live that of Mr H's would not last long - I should like to have a green ribbon for a cap as it will suit my green gown which I purpose wearing if I go to Nayland Mrs Harold had a very pretty striped green on her cap silk and crêpe stripes about the breadth of that you bought for me before when you buy the shawl tried to get me one 29 ½ inches will do I think very well - Willm sailed this morning indeed he sailed yesterday but it was so bad a night and wind contrary, that he came back and lay under the beach all night which was a great comfort to us to know he was in safety - he will go to Cuxhaven this time if it pleases God - and not to Heligoland as the Packets most likely will be cleared away there - which we feel another comfort - you know what a dangerous place it is Heligoland I mean.
This letter appears incomplete in that it is not signed off by Harriet, or existence of an address.
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14. Harriet's Letter's: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 4 May 1826.
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My dear Julia
As your father expects to be in Colchester next Saturday to be sworn in - I thought I must write and tell you of it that if it is not inconvenient to you to go may be you would like to see him again - you can take some sausages in your basket and not be obliged to Mrs Waters to dine with her again - F - says they are to be at Colchester by ten o'clock, I shall direct him to call at Mrs Waters and one way or another you will see one another if you go - if you have not bought the cloth and can get to Colchester in good time you may buy it and send it home by your father - by a letter this morning from Charles I learn that Dr Miller has been to London, and has gotten a probate of Uncles Will and for the present it is lodged in the Bank of England after three days it can be acted on Dr Miller is desirous of settling the business as far as he can - as soon as he can - and as at little expense as he can - he is very good to be so considerate - he is expected here on Rannailes's? account - he told me he should call on me when he came to Harwich - I have heard nothing from Uncle Edwd - I wrote the two last letters to him so shall remain quiet at present - he may come to a better way of thinking
I have told your father if you have heard of a house likely to suit you will show it to him. Willm is sailed to Cuxhaven yesterday with a bad wind I fear he will have a long passage - he was not very well he is much troubled with his Father's complaint and with gravel (medical) I hope you take care of those books of Edwd and pray don't let the children have them. Charles says he saw Mr Heseltine and he told him that he had lately been at Cambridge that he did not see Henry but he heard Jack Bailey say he had called on him and that he was ill and in bed - how unfriendly not to speak to him when ill in a strange place far from all his friends - Harriet went to Mr Balls to ask if his son had mentioned his being ill - he said no that he had heard from his son about a fortnight since - and if he had been ill he is sure he would have mentioned it to him - for he generally say something about Henry in every letter for they are both steady young men and he is very pleased that they associate together they are in the habit of taking tea with each other he hope if he was unwell it was but of short duration - his son also mentions seeing Mr Heseltine - I try to hope that he is not very ill - but I can't feel comfortable about him and have written by this post to him to be sure not to lose a post but right directly - I hope John's health improves
and that you are endeavouring to think better of him and if you do so you will get more rest - Charles I find intends to bring his affair to a conclusion in October - Aunt Downing is very poorly worse than usual she thinks from indigestion but if better she proposes paying me a visit in the beginning of next week - I have written to beg she will not delay longer but apply to Mr Bartlet at once for she was complaining before I saw her at Dedham and she tells me it's worse than when I saw her - if you can find time to talk to your father about Mr L - money matters - if it is done he wants the premises to be made over to you and your children.
I have only time to say God bless you all forever accept our love
believe me your aft Mother
Ambrose must repent of not taking advice and selling his core when he might have had a good price for it.
Harwich May 4th 1826
Mrs John Ambrose
Notes May 4th 1826 probate Uncle Betts will Uncle Henry at Cambridge
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper, sealed with black sealing wax
15. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 25 Aug 1826.
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My dear Julia
Expecting that Charles may be at your house your Father would have me write as he is quite concerned at not hearing from him as yesterday was a week since, I wrote to him, requesting him to sell out L811 stock to pay for aunts house which your father has engaged to do the latter and of this month, he was directed to pay the money into Hoars Bank, that he might receive it at Ipswich and he was then requested to write to his Father now as we have had no letter we can but be surprised not being able to account for the delay - your F you know cant bear to be worse than his word, which he must be, if he has not the money -F - say's sure Charles has not lost the power of attorney - or the money - he can't conceive what the reason can be that we have not heard from him - sometimes I am afraid that he is not well - if Charles is at your house we hope he or you will write directly
I have been long wishing to hear from you I wonder you have not written - I have not heard of you since your Father was at Colchester - (with but few exceptions) everybody has had bowel ailing more or less - very many have been obliged to have medical assistance - as their sickness and pain have been severe indeed there is scarcely being quite rid of the complaint it has not been a common ailing - as the patient's after recovering from the violence of the disease lose their
appetites and remain far from well a long time and some of them have another attack - the complaint is not only in this part of the world but there is great sickness in Holland the people die so fast that it is become quite alarming - and at Cuxhaven they are so ill that they can't get the harvest in, Capt Deane told me one farmer had 18 servants all ill - and they bring bad accounts also from Gothenberg - I shall be very glad to hear that you have all escaped the disease - though I can hardly expect to hear so good an account - Aunt Downes and her maid have been very ill with it - but she writes that they are better, but are still very poorly - I don't know whether you have heard that Mrs F Downing is dead - we did not hear of it till Edwd paid us a short visit of two nights last week - I felt vext for her loss, her chief business was going about doing good her wonted kindness will be much missed, but her change is no doubt to her everlasting advantage - Edwd - or rather Catharine is left L100 % annum and 100 is left to their three children - Mrs Downing L100 and several other legacies tho bulk of her income is left to her sister, while she lives, and then it is to be divided between her children and Catherine.
Dr Miller has been here a fortnight but we hear nothing respecting money - Edwd - says Dr Miller is an honest man and therefore he thinks (Edwd) that he won't pay one legatee before other - and if we get any by Xmas we may think it well - I don't know this may be but your F wonders Dr M - has not mentioned it to him or us, perhaps Charles knows more about it than we do - but we wholly thought that you of the fours would
have been paid last month. I had formd an idea that the doctor had told him so - we are all open handed - ready to receive it - Uncle Edwd wanted his share long ago - I have been to Ipswich, tis a fortnight since - Aunt told me how much hurt and angry she was to find that Uncle E was dissatisfied with his very handsome legacy - I replied that he considered, that there was the same affinity between them that I have to my Uncle - well she returned "what was I to him then? I was his nearest relation - but it is as I always expected, that I should be worse off" if we should live to receive it I hope it will be spent well - for I am slapd by one and other all round, over and over - Ambrose told aunt how disappointed Uncle was, which I had hoped . . . . . would have been hid from her - as so I told . . . . . have you gotten your harvest in - if you have not had more rain, than we have had, I fear you will have no turnips, nor other green feed for your creatures - I pray God send rain, not only on your account, for it is a national consideration - we are looking forward to the pleasure we hope to have in seeing you - when are you likely to come? - We purpose going to Ipswich to meet Charles and his bride - but we have no intention of making a long stay - I thought by what Edwd said that Catharine and her train have some thoughts of coming in September - what I shall do for a cook while they are here I know not - my damsel does not improve much that way. I am sorry to say - F - bids me ask you, whether the wood he sent is likely to answer the purpose? Mr Saunders is dangerously ill with fever - Mrs Bridge has a confirmed dropsy - fever Mrs Bills is still alive and in a very poor state - I don't know that she will struggle through
if Charles is with you, tell him to ask Edwd to send me a few cuttings of geraniums - if he has any of the better sort - for as your F - quarrels if I have many, I wish those I do have to be of the best kind - Charles may bring them with him to Ipswich - and to take care of some balsom seed for me - mine have not done so well this year as last - I like the double blossom - the single are not worth having
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remember us kindly to Charles and to Mrs Charles also to Ambrose and your young ones - we pray that God may order all events that take place in our family to the furtherance of their everlasting happiness - whatever trouble we may meet with here - God grant we may all find rest hereafter - believe me your afft Mother
Mrs John Ambrose
Aug 25, 1826
Noted August 25, 1826 Uncle Betts money death of F E Downing
Written on 4 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper
16. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 18 Sep 1826.
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Ipswich Sep 18, 1826
My dear Julia
I have been here a fortnight last Thursday, according to your account we expected Charles here on the Saturday following but somehow you made a mistake of a week they never intended to be here sooner than the week after they tell me - poor Aunt was quite anxious for my coming, she had been so very ill on the preceding Sunday but was better when she wrote to me on the Wednesday - I lost no time but came directly - she continued better the next day - but on Saturday she was very ill indeed with gallstones and was completely jaundiced all over, she was so very ill that she entirely gave herself up, not thinking she could recover - and Mr Bartlet told me that she was in a very precarious state, that the complaint was not generally a dangerous one, although a very distressing one - but her years, and weakly constitution were against her - he would not say she would die - but thought it is not improbable - and added that she was worn out - I was indeed exceedingly hurt for her she has been an old kind friend to me and mine and I did know how-to part with her, I could wish her to live as long as I shall, she was quite composed and willing to die - and said several times when she saw me crying if I should recover now, according to my years and poor constitution I can't live long - and when Mr Bartlet said she was evidently better - she said she was disappointed and that it was like coming back from heaven to earth again - she was
much better for several days, but I am sorry to say is not so well again, she has no appetite - her stomach is so weak she does not know how to bear solid food, and she is tired of slops - if her stomach can be strengthened - I hope she might get better - as she has no appearance of jaundice now - either Harriet or myself must stay with her till she gets into her new house - nor can we leave her then till she is better - I should have as comfort to leave her alone I am sure.
We are very sorry for your horse, what a perishable stock is a Farmers - we are glad that John is better - I thought when you came I should keep Harriet here - and come and see you at Harwich - Edw came on purpose to see Aunt - he was better when he came - he said he did not see why she should not recover as to the complaint - if her strength would hold out - Dr Miller called to speak to your Father but he was at Ipswich Harriet saw him - he behaved very handsomely - he told her, he should be pleased to settle the business and would as soon as he could - he also told Charles the same and added that things were in train meaning that the mortgages were called in to pay the legacies those that were necessary he meant - sweet Mrs Whiles has made application in several quarters, he has received a letter from one Attorney respecting Mrs Betts will - he laught (sic) and said they did not mind her - for they should act according to the letter of will - and then they had no need to fear her - but it showed the woman - one of her daughters had been asked and another is to be married to the Son of the parish Clerk
The Dr says she must be an indiscreet woman or she would not have had such a set in her house among her daughters - you are in a scrap? with your maid, I can't advise you about her - Charles was to have been here today but it has rained so heavily all day they did not attempt to come - I shall tell Charles to write to you when he purposes coming to your house - Father went home on Saturday as he expected the Packet - which came in this morning (Monday) he writes me the Post Office has sent to Mr Cox desiring that the . . . . . packets may be sent up, and where they . . . . . by return of ports - there has been a letter? sent petitioning that there last accounts may be settled - the answer was that there are accounts were now before his Lordship - what they are going to do with the Packets nobody knows at present - I have not seen much of my new daughter as Aunt was so ill - they, with Mr and Mrs Eleston drank tea with us, and I have seen her once since - she appears pleasant and I hope she is what she has been represented to me this I hope they may do they both promise they will live carefully and not spend all but lay by for future occasions - don't let my being at Ipswich hinder your coming to Harwich if you have an opportunity - if I hear from Chas when he is likely to come I will write with our side of this. Aunt desires her love to you and Harriet who is with us, we are going to make compot(e)? and bed - I pray God to bless you - and yours - believe me ever affy yours
Tell Maria that
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I am very sorry to say the bird she was so good to send was very well and singing nicely in the morning and was taken in a fit and died they saw it before it was dead but did not know what to do to help the poor thing I am quite vexed for it - it was in such spirits Harriet says that it offered to pick her fingers when she gave it something I shall send this by Carr?
Mrs John Ambrose
Notes Ipswich Sep 18, 1826
Written on three half sheets both sides of one piece of paper, text damaged by seal in places
17. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 14 Nov 1826.
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My dear Julia
I lose no time in letting you know that this mornings post bought us a letter from Dr Miller which that you may perfectly understand I shall transcribe "I desir'd on Saturday Round and Co of Colches on a stamp receipt being presented to them to pay Capt W Liveing Mrs Fenn and Mrs Ambrose L40 each - and which sum until further notice, will in future be paid in the middle of Jany and July - notwithstanding the coverture of the ladies the receipt must be signed by them. I have not written to the latter as I considered that you were in frequent communication, and that you would undertake to give the information" after adding a little more he goes on to say "the receipts should run somewhat in this form - Received of the executors of the late Edwd Betts Esq forty pounds, being the amount of interest due to me last July on L2000 stock four percent" of course you must date it and leave it with Mr Round when you receive the money - you must write it on a shilling stamp - of course you will go yourself - I hope you recd the parcel safe that I sent by Mr Cooper last Saturday to be left at the Horse and Groom - it contained the child's spencer and your lace ruff and tippet
I half repented sending it fearing that it might be lost Uncle Harold sent me some medlars (apples) and Edwd filled up the cask with pears and by the same I heard of your general good health Edwd had been at your house on the day before writing - Harriet returned yesterday from Ipswich and left Aunt as well as she has seen her for years just as she has recovered her appetite and if she goes on as she does now she must I think soon be quite fat - Edwd has invited Father and Harriet to go and see them - and as H - has not been there so long a time perhaps she may go and take her money, and then pay you the first visit but perhaps she may go to Nayland first - you will hear her plans another time - I don't know at present when she will go - she will I suppose carry Wills receipt also he takes the mail tomorrow from Holland Father's say's this wind has made such a sea that he does not know when he can get out - poor Mr Sept Clark, Harriet tells us, has had a dreadful fit - paralectic - he has very much recovered and can walk about the room, can move his arm pretty well, but his hand is not right. Mr Bartlet when he first saw him did not think he would live an hour - I am very sorry for him. I think him worthy of respect he has three children - he is a good Father and husband - see the necessity of living in a prepared state to meet God he was engaged in the shop when he was taken - he never goes
out to spend a shilling wantonly - to be sure he can have none to spare but every body does not regard that - ever have it in remembrance that God is present at all times - take care of your children they are a vast charge - they have immortal souls - "with early virtue plant their hearts" strive to set them a good example it goes before precept - you and I shall in some measure be accountable for our children's misconduct and awful consideration this - let it rest on your mind - pray I beseech you check what tends to wrong in your children do not overlook anything that may lead them to take the wrong path - children know what is right and wrong sooner than you may expect - and they also make remarks before you are aware on other peoples ills or good conduct but surely evil is observed, and followed - if not the good - remember the end - it will restrain you from doing amiss - for although we have a merciful God - yet he is severely just - which is not enough considered - or it would very often prevail miss doing - I pray God enabled you to do your duty and to bless your endeavours - remember that prayer - is not prayer except we are governed by the law of God - if our lives are not formed by his word - that unerring rule we are not in a safe state to pray to God to lead us and then to wilfully go wrong will not avail to any good purpose - accept and present our love - believe your ever afft Mother
Mrs John Ambrose
Nov 14, 1826
Postmark Harwich 18 NO 1826 72
Notes: Nov 14, 1826 Uncle Betts legacies
L2000 Julia Ambrose
L2000 William Liveing
L2000 Harriet Liveing
they now receive dividends on above
Written on 3 half sheets both sides of one piece of paper sealed with black sealing wax
18. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Cir 1827. Liveing Archive 142a-c LT12
19. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 31 Mar 1827. Liveing Archive 145a-d LT12
20. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 16 Jul 1827. Liveing Archive 146a-d LT12
21. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 29 Jul 1827. Liveing Archive 147a-c LT12
22. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 8 Aug 1827. Liveing Archive 132a-d LT12
23. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, Dec 1827.
My dear Catherine
We all unite in thanking God for his great mercies to you in which mercies we all participate. We have anxiously desired to hear from you hoping and trusting soon to be relieved from fear on your account I bless God that the welcome news of your safety arrived this morning Edwd writes that you have been very uneasy for the last month but altho you were very uncomfortable yet I have no doubt the troubled you endured was preparing you by degrees for a quick and happy conclusion of the trial - and I am persuaded that you were more unable to go through a gradual process then to undergo such severe conflicts for many hours that I have so often experienced - you are feeling alive to God's goodness I know but still I feel it right to enlarge on the subject and to bring to mind former deliverance is of the kind and of many very many other causes of thankfulness that our hearts make exalt in praise and thanksgiving - the dear child was born on a highly rejoicing day may he ever be a joy to you - you have I know a strong sense of the necessity there is of a watchful eye to check the first tendency to evil habits or they will take deep roots which alas with all our care are not easily if ever eradicated - somewhere I read that the great causes why parents so often fail in their endeavours to lead their children in a right way is as a want of firmness in keeping up general good conduct by relaxing at times, the child soon takes the advantage
when the parents lose their authority and their powers at the same time of doing their children's good - and above all those who neglect to water their endeavours by prayer to him who alone can pour down blessings upon them and make them succeed - can have no room to hope for the dew of His heavenly Grace. I trust my dear you will excuse these observations I am convinced you are a good and kind mother and I trust that your tenderness to your little (great I may be allowed to say) charges won't let you neglect their everlasting concerns - nevertheless when I write to any of my family if I do not bring Eternal things to their minds before I conclude I feel a pang for neglecting what I think my great duty and now I am so far advanced on my journey of life I am struck with the thought that I may not again have opportunity whether I do them good or not I feel a satisfaction in thus far delivering my own soul.
Tell your good mother we heartily congratulate her on this joyful event - it must be very great relief to her mind I am sure, I heard that she was so anxious that her health was hurt from it and Edwards feelings no doubt have been excited on your account and he now enjoys the happy termination of anxiety.
I will not lengthen my letter any more than by saying accept our united love - may the God of Heaven be with you and all of you even more prays your affectionate mother
I hope Edwd or Tom will let us hear how you do very soon Father says give my love to her poor thing, and say I am glad that she is safe in bed. I forgot to say I hope the child will be named Thomas Harrold Thomas is a name that ought to be dear to us as very many of those who are most dear to us have and still bear that name - my stomach has been better the last two days - my face is sadly red and eruption is thrown out it may have relieved me.
Letter two sides of one page, dated December 1827 at a later date, no envelope.
Original in Fenn archive Ref L1
24. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 15 Jul 1828.
It's a long time since I have had the pleasure of addressing you but be assured that you are often in our minds eye Father says bless her heart she shall come and see us, my reply is, she will, when she can, but she is a person of consequence and has many family concerns to correct and see in order - surely I need not say that we shall all be very glad to see you when you can leave home so as not to be very uncomfortable while you are absent. We are sorry for Mrs Downing's rheumatism but when we come so near to the bottom of the hill of life God in mercy warns us by pain and trouble of the descent that we may not forget that the end draws nigh. This lesson I endeavour to apply to myself and often preach to my husband for alass little pains of one kind and another we are but to apt to pass over without regarding them as admonitions whereas there is not a pain not trouble that comes without a message from our best friend to prepare for the end they every one speak and not only to those who have passed the flower of their age but they proclaim loudly to all those (however young) who have reached the day of reason and have discovered what it is to do right or wrong how ungracious then must it be to slight these messages of loving kindness. I often lament that I do not love God more and serve him better and I often reflect on the pious example of your late Aunt set to us all those of us who had the happiness of knowing her excellent characters show us the way to heaven they walk in the direct path that leads to it, then why do we not follow? What can I say in excuse nothing
what is this but saying I am guilty: and of course deserving punishment alass that it is true but confession is not enough if we stop here we are lost - then what can we do? Have we strength to help ourselves alass no, must we then sit down without taking any steps without using any endeavours to bring us nearer to God? This plan cannot be right then let us humbly lay and our case before God and heartily entreat his assisting grace: for "of ourselves we cannot help ourselves". I cant forebear writing one or two verses of a hymn my poor Aunt was fond of, and which was brought to her remembrance now, and then as she could hear it in her last sickness.
Let not conscience make you linger; nor of fitness fondly dream; all the fitness he requireth, is to feel your need of him; this he gives you tis the spirits rising beam. Lo the incarnate God ascended pleads the merit of his blood; Venture on him venture wholly; Let no other trust intrude; None but Jesus can do helpless sinners good.
Perhaps if Edward reads this he may think I have taken and given unnecessary trouble but most surely we cannot have these momentous truths brought to our remembrance too often when our life - our ALL depends on a consistent Christian life and in particular as the world is ever bringing before us something to draw us off from God and our true interest. Therefore I shall make no apology as I consider when I am thus drawn out that I am but doing a part of my duty - and at the same time manifesting my regard for my family's best interest.
I have the scripture history you miss and Julia has the sermons one or perhaps both volumes, it's a shame to keep people's books so long that the borrower is quite forgotten
I am sorry that your domestic peace is disturbed and I earnestly hope you will be able to bring each to a right mind the world needs new
modeling I may say with the strictest truth - few know their proper place all would be at the top not considering that the top must have a bottom or the fabric could not stand - without due order nothing can be right.
We are very glad that the dear children are so well and you I trust the same as you said nothing to the contrary - I don't wonder that Edward did not feel well in London as he really worked hard as he was always going from place to place and the weather so exceedingly hot he was fatigued till he could take no sleep or but very little, I trust that he is better now - I am sorry to hear that Mrs Harrold is again indisposed no means I am sure will be neglected that may facilitate her recovery - pray you remember us very kindly to her, and to my brother and say we shall be happy to hear from them and I hope they will be shortly able to say they are in good health.
I don't think I should have written just yet - but I wish to know as soon as you can tell me whether there is enough of a carpet to be had like that in your dining room - as I can't happen of one here to my mind and it is inconvenient to go to Ipswich now I have lost my poor Aunt. I shall like one like yours very well - our carpet requires to be finished 5yds qtr long and six breadths wide the room is not regularly of the above size because although it measures 5yds qtr at all parts yet the carpet lays up at one corner and wants more at the opposite cross corner, then there is the chance of matching the pattern so this I think 3 4yds is the least that like can allow. Will you be so good as to give me a line directly as I have a part of our carpet from Mr Leveret's (sic) at Ipswich and want to give some answer about it I should have written last evening but I took a walk and was too late to do so - you did not mention Mrs Hinchcliffe I suppose you have heard how she is going on - hers is rather an uncommon case I think if I have heard the truth of it - poor thing I hope she will do well Poor Mrs Sansum (sic) lays by with her ninth living child she has been in bed nearly a week and continues very ill she complained of pain from her back to her knee some time before her confinement and it still continues she is unable to turn herself and so when she is turned she screams violently poor thing she is suffering grievously - I am sorry your gig is not easy Charles I know took pains to have it right I hope it will be easier when more worn I expect it may be made too strong but I ought not to give an opinion as I don't understand these things - remember us kindly to your good mother and to Miss Alston who I hope is better in health
Our love to Edward and the children
Accept the same affection
Regards yours ever
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William we expect may be on his way from Cuxhaven Elizabeth is at Cornard Lousia is very busy superintending carpet making at their new house Harriet is but poorly having caught and cold and continues to live almost without victuals she will be happy to hear from you whenever you find opportunity to write. When the Harrold's pay you a visit I may expect I may expect (sic) the remaining part to see me they really appear very amicable and so I think you will say one and all the family did all they could to make us comfortable pray give our love to Henry O that God made direct him in the right way I pray God to bless you all for ever.
I grow a worse scribe than ever, if you can but read what I have written it as much as I may expect
Harwich July 15, 1828
St Swithern entered on a rainy morning - but I have known him mistaken and so I hope he is now
Letter on one sheet folded to four pages and sealed with an unreadable seal. Stamped "Colchester By Post" partly obscured stamp showing
(Har)wich, 15, year clearly 1828, underlined with the number 72
Original in Fenn archive Ref L2
25. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 4 Dec 1828.
My dear Catherine
Thank you few your kind letter and invitation and one day we hope (if it pleases God) to accept it but at present cannot say when. I am very sorry to hear that Edwd is so poorly, I think he imposes on his constitution by going too long without taking refreshment, Charles suffers from the same cause often. I am sure it is a wrong plan - when faintness comes on, does not nature cry in strong terms for refreshment? If he had only a piece of bread, it would be better than nothing, but I would persuade him to take a few biscuits in his pocket, he used to like gingerbread cakes I don't know how they would agree with his stomach of that he is the best judge, but something I would persuade him to have with him, fasting so long does not agree with him - altho his Uncle bears it so well, our constitutions are not all alike.
I am really very pleased that you were not disturbed by the thieves - what they took or had it been 10 times as much in value (as they did it quietly) would be nothing when compared with the terror of hearing them breaking in not knowing what the event might be. I think with you that it was likely to be somebody distressed for victuals. I wish for their own sakes that they had endeavoured to obtain it in an honest way, it will put you on the alert to secure your house better against depradators. I should think you had better have a shutter made within side to guard your staircase window, which might be easily put up, and have a bar to go across it. I think with you it's a window easy of access - besides as this event has taken place you will be more afraid and more watchfull - a shutter would
I doubt not make your mind more easy.
I had occasion to write to Horksley to return thanks for medlass (sic) and also respecting jars, which I did on Monday last and the letter was sent with a jar by the carriers on Tuesday but I suppose Mrs Harold did not receive till Wednesday. I have often told Harriet she must write - but she would not as she said I did thanks her before I left her so at loss I wrote as above and acknowledged in Harriet's name a sense of the kind attention she had received from Uncle and Aunt, it is very kind of you my dear to remind her of not looking ungrateful and wanting decorum.
If your cousin George considers his situation, I think he can't be very happy - as to the lady she knows very little of housekeeping - nor how little way out pound will go to keep a handsome table - when I first heard of the intended union I thought it a hazardous step to take all things considered.
William has been very ill indeed all last voyage, he had a great deal of fever and many shaking fits - he was so very ill that he could not believe it was ague for some time - Mr Barns (the Mate) told us he was quite frightened, he never saw anybody so bad with a ague and could hardly think it could be ague and when he arrived at Cuxhaven (sic) the medical man there said it was useless to try to cure it till he had had seven fits so he had seven fits, he however missed the fit before he reached England - the Packet sailed yesterday without him he stays to nurse himself he looks most sadly and is glad to lay down in the afternoon as he feels by that time fatigued - they are going to Cornard on Saturday morning I don't like he
should leave off medicine yet, so I have had a dozen and half of quinine powders up for him at the chemists. I thank God I have caught very little this week - I think, I may put by the last bottle of medicine that Edwd kindly sent me, for the present. I have not used a great deal of it - I have only taken it morning and night, as I understood Edward, to spare it as much as I could. Harriet thinks I am wrong - there is quite a change in me for I was never used to cough much in my life - now when I lose it a little while it returns again I think I must have had it nearly a twelvemonth I mean with short intermissions - my dear husband is pretty well for an old man he says. I often tell him he is a complete old man - he really gets infirm he is very well in health thank God he complains of rheumatism about him and his old complaint is often troublesome but these troubles must be looked for. I bless God that we are so well - I have this day obtained to my 66 year "Goodness and mercy" (I may say) has followed me thro life" pray for us dear Catherine that we may be prepared to enter a happy Eternity - you and yours are in any debt in this way we need each other's prayers: but our own much more - the grand business of our lives is sadly forgotten frequently, we are apt not to keep in mind that we are accountable creatures to the Great God and there every word will be brought into judgement as well as our actions and all our misspent time - these are wonderful considerations when it is brought to our mind how pure and holy God is and then we are led to look into our hearts - we may well shrink from even the thoughts of standing before the judge of quick and dead clothed in our non-righteousness - these solemn thoughts will make us cry out O Saviour clothe me in thy righteousness - and I shall be safe O Good God grant me and all mine this Divine clothing and our happiness is secure
without it we are lost - let us my dear look to our ways but no(t) he says importunate like the widow that would not be refused, let us wrestle with God night and day for divine assistance for it is for our ALL.
I am persuaded you will let no opportunity of bringing your children to God slip but will as their minds enlarge lead them by degrees to God and by so doing you will be laying a good foundation to build on here after. I pray God to help you.
Pray it when you write to your Aunt Knottisford remember me to her very kindly and say I am very glad to hear they are in good health and that I am much to obliged by her remembrance of me.
Pray give my kind regards to your good mother and say I am very sorry that her mittens has not been sent sooner, indeed to say the truth they have been forgotten or they might have been sent with Mr Harold's jar without expense -- I have brought a yard of the based nankin we could find, I have had it scalded to shrink it, I have cut out and runned together three pairs ready for finish if they fit Mrs D Had better try them on first. I have finished one to show my way of doing them if it is approved - when the band is put on the fullness of the mitten should be all put to the knuckles - as you wish to know the price I paid 15d (sic)
This is a sad blundering composition but you must take it as it is for I am a poor scribe - your letter is dated Monday evening I see and it on Wednesday but now I think of it it could not come sooner.
Father and Harriet unite with me in love to you Edwd and the little ones - kind regards to Miss Alston
May God bless you all
believe me your affectionate mother
Harwich December 4th 1828
have you heard of Henry lately how he is going on
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26. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 6 Mar 1829. Liveing Archive 135a-c LT12
27. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 17 Mar 1829. Liveing Archive 136a-d LT12
28. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 24 Mar 1829. Liveing Archive 144a-d LT12
29. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 16 Jul 1829. Liveing Archive 137a-d LT12
30. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 11 Sep 1829-1 Jun 1830.
My dear Catherine
I have sent a jar of mushrooms and four bottles of catsup which I hope you will get without breakage
Altho you said nothing respecting Charles being in the country yet we were persuaded that he was in your neighbourhood as we understood that he was coming to shoot but not knowing that he had left Town and having occasion to write to him I addressed my letter as usual and have gotten his answer in return wherein he says "I had purposed coming down to shoot but that is now knocked on the head as far as the eye can see we are all working against time without intermission for the Chancellor of Exchequer so much so that I am forced to employ Mary Anne and Mr Beaumont - if there is a
possibility of getting job done perhaps I may take a week about the 10th of October" so he may be expected if he is alive and well enough you may be sure those terrible guns I have so often warned against will not be laid aside after all my fears strongly expressed - my sons are like Gay's Cock in their own opinions but not in mine or why this great desire I so often feel to prevail on them to avoid spiritual and temporal dangers? and now dear Catherine I have my fears that I have some cause to scold you for by what I gather I doubt whether you even gave Edward the letter I wrote and tyed to the stools if you did not you certainly were wrong and have prevented a step - I thought it an imperative duty to take my dear you know it was for your sake I write and not only for your sake but for his also indeed it's a case in which your children are concerned
as well - for to enjoy the comforts of this life - and to have an appearance of the blessings of that to come - we must live in piety and spiritual concordance for to have a well grounded hope we must be consistent Christians - to be a Christian when in good humour and forget all religion went temper is owned, can we be in a fit temper to meet God and who can say that God will have patience to wait till we come to ourselves before he calls us into eternity to give an account of thoughts words and actions - nominal Christianity will not stand any of us instead - almost will not do we must be altogether - or we shall be deemed as sounding brass - these are solemn truths - who is sufficient for these things we may indeed say - it is not so easy a thing to be a Christian as too many suppose. O may All my dear family earnestly consider these solemn truths - and not suffer this world to blind their eyes - and harden their hearts - it will be at the peril
of their never dying souls
I hope you have not destroyed the letter and that you will give it to him - you may believe that I have the true interests of you all at heart - may God send a blessing on my endeavours to serve you all.
Tell Edward the boat is done and that his father will send it when the weather is more favourable I am in expectation of a man to call for the hamper so can only add the affectionate regards of us all.
I remain yours ever
September 11, 1829
Give my love to my brother remember us kindly to Mrs Harrold and your kind mother also to Miss Allston tell her I enjoy reading her book - I hope when I return is that you and E will send it if I might keep it so long I would send it to Henry to read.
Original in Fenn archive. Ref L4
My dear Catherine
we are all much surprised and truly thankful for the next to a miraculous escape from the perilous situation poor little George has gone through it is wonderful! that death - or worse than death had not been the event of such a frightful fall - let us bless God for his mercies - this event alone will show the necessity of daily nay hourly commending ourselves and all who belong to us to him who alone can keep us from dangers, we cannot foresee as well as from those we can.
I write to request you to give us a line, as we wish to know how the child is, whether he appears as well as he did yesterday, and also how you all do after such a fright, you must be almost petrified.
Of course I need not say have the bars put thicker or rather nearer together adding as many as will fill up the sash for we think perhaps he gone over the top bar.
I pray God to bless and keep you all.
Believe me affectionately yours
June 1, 1830
Note: My grandmother Liveing to my mother on my fall from the nursery window 1830 (GDL)
Original in Fenn archive Ref L6
31. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 4 Dec 1829. Liveing Archive 133a-d LT12
32. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 24 Dec 1829. Liveing Archive 134a-c LT12
33. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing & son Henry, 2 Mar 1830. Liveing Archive 35a-e LT4
My dear Julia
Mr Ambrose had left us about an hour before your letter came Father thought I had better write that you might go on with your business in the way that you think best - I don't know when he will return but you may be sure he won't stay longer than he can get through the business he went about half way to Ipsh in a boat as the Wherry did not go in time to take a coach at Ipsh (ie Ipswich) I would not have had him gone as I found it would have been a rainy day - but I am glad he did go now as he was so loth to lose a day. I observed to him if he thought of anything he wished to say to you he of course could write from one place as well as another. Father has now s een seen (written twice in error) the man who carried A who says he set him on shore at Mr Barnefses Park about 10 o'clock I suppose he had about four miles to walk. Poor Mary Ann I hope earnestly that she will get well - she and indeed they have had a long and weary trial, after being brought so low it must take a long time to recruit. (archaic definition to recover strength etc) I have had not heard my Brother's opinion of her . I must not forg e t to tell you that A brought all the money. When he returns he will pay Mr Logan - Father would have stockings bought for Tom that he might be ready to go to school and lose no more time - he has new shoes and his old ones soled and heel'd - which are enough for the present we have done nothing to the pin clothes as we suppose they will not let him wear them - do as you please about sending them all - I would mention them when you go with him to school - if they will let them wear them you can send those that fit best about the sleeves and new sleeve the others and send them soon after him - if they won't allow them in general I would request he might wear one with his new clothes - his long tail - I think he must wear in commons and his old ones will do to wear at home in the holidays - he wants a shiny belt and buckle
to wear with their dress suits so unfinished without one - this of course I leave to you - his hairbrush does not answer the purpose I expect it has been washed with hot water which spoils them - should you buy a better I would regard that it might be washed with only cold soap and water - his com b had better not be used any more so I fear it will stick into his head - I bought 2 pairs of glasses one pair has only been worn a few times - God bless you evermore your affectionate mother H Liveing.
Written on 2 sides of one sheet and sealed in red sealing wax, mark illegible
look if you can find a puse silk for a gown I have but one any thing like other peoples and th is is no t very like either Harriet says - I will put a scrap of Harriet s under the . . . . I admire the colour but I should like one of a good quality I don't like a stiff thready looking thing I would rather give more money and have a good one - if I can't have a puse colour - I should have no objection to have a green yours is a good colour I think all greens are so pretty wh atever I have I should wish a good one - I would say that the child is not forward as I wished - and would add he requires care and attention lest they should think you did not think him backward.
My dear Henry
I am really very sorry to hear that you are in such a nervous state I hope and trust you will employ every means prescribed in the hope that it may please God you may receive benefit by persevering in the plan laid down. I suffered much myself some years since with a nervous affection. My Bror? gave me medicine and insisted on my walking out a great deal and in particular when I felt worse - then I was to go out at once, and I have gone many times when my legs would hardly carry me I told my Brr "I felt as if my legs would stay behind me his reply was, never mind that - don't give way make yourself go - and so I did although I did it with great reluctance very often for months and months. I bless God after much perseverance it wore off by degrees sometimes better and I had a return many times, this I tell you to encourage you, to bear up, and strive against the complaint, or it will get the better of you - if you don't resist it with your utmost power, walk a good deal - it will help you I have no doubt every way, and when you come in - you can read and rest at the same, time proper books will amuse and improve your mind. Julia tells me a voyage with William is recommended by Uncle and Edward and I hope you will embrace the next opportunity and go with him we are expecting him home from Heligoland or Cuxhaven - he was not certain which, he should go to, your brother has patients who from giving way to nervous sensations have brought themselves to believe in most strange ideas - pray I beg you
and entreat you take courage and when you feel a bout coming on, get out and run away from it if you possibly can - although even so much against your inclination - I think Capt Herrage will take a walk with you sometimes I much wish he did not swear so sadly - he puts me in pain to hear him - I hope and trust, you won't catch that dreadful habit, so offensive to the Almighty - and to the ears of those who fear to offend him - when Ambrose goes about his business you might sometimes walk with him - if I could but prevail with you to rise when A does, which is not too soon for young people, go with him if you don't like to go by yourself always, you love to go to Colchester - you might walk there take something in your pocket to eat, rest awhile and then walk back - pray do all you can to drive these miserable feelings from you, medicine I hope will help you but I am persuaded medicine will not do without your own exertions, which will do more than medicine can do - but the one with the other - with attention paid to avoiding things prohibited I trust, in God's good time will restore you - now I pray be persuaded - cease not to pray for divine help God is the great physician - he cures the souls and bodies of those who live in his love and fear - he sees fit to try us all in one shape or another, he knows what is best for us and when, he knows we need the cross no longer, and the design of sending it is answered he takes it from us - O learn and learn to look to God more - to lean on him more - and less on the arm of flesh - it's for want of considering God more for want of bearing in mind that all the evils, and troubles, we are called on to endure are permitted of God for wise ends, did we I say but duly consider that nothing happens to us but by his will - we should submit and bear up under them the better our Lord says the hairs of your head are all numbered - and not a sparrow falls to the ground without your heavenly Father be of good cheer you are of more worth than many sparrows.
if Julia did not mention you when she writes - we should scarcely know whether you are alive - I tr y to put your neglect out of my mind - as it is a recollection far from pleasing - tell Julia not to keep Tom at home - tis b est not every way - let John keep gloves on - Mrs Bailey is still very low, has not left her bedroom.
I hope you will pay attention to what I have said I have your interest at heart whether you believe it or not. God bless you your Father and sister unite in love with your afft Mother
Mrs John Ambrose
near Colchester Efsex
Postmark Harwich MA 2 1830 Sealed with red sealing wax
March 2 1830
Letter to Julia re Tom going to school. Mary Anne Liveing ill. Letter to Henry also Ambrose at Harwich boats and Wherry on River to Ipswich etc Mrs Bailey ill
34. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 24 Jun 1830. Liveing Archive 40a-d LT4
My dear Julia
We ha ve been thinking you would be glad to get rid of one of your boys - therefore send John to us, we think we shall agree pretty well together and I suppose he will have no objection to coming. I should think Ambrose when he goes to market may hear of somebody that would take charge of him at any rate he would come safely with Lambert the carrier if he was given in charge to him. I much want to know if Mr Turner has sent the money for the panel of bricks you sent? - I fear Ambrose has suffered him to take him in, how many did you send? If the first is not paid for shure ? (sic) A - won't send any more - if he does, he falls into the trap with his eyes open - in the full light of the sun, when a man has no, property, how, can he pay his debts?
I shall be glad to know what Mr Patterson says (perhaps I have not given him his right name - but I mean the attorney who knows something of the business of the Chapel Farm) - I hope the business will not run on to far - before some steps are taken to stop the mischief.
We are watching the weather - and thinking about your hay in particular, no doubt A will lose no time to get it in as soon as it is dry enough and he had need, for the sun does not bear a better appearance, and I am persuaded this fine weather will not last long. We came home on Monday and we were happy in having
so fine a day, had we stayed till Tuesday it would have made travelling disagreeable in so much rain - we had the Stoke Chaise to Mistley, and waited there nearly two hours, if not quite, for the Wherry, when to our great surprise had only a little lobster boat to go in - a miserable stinking - and every way disagreeable and inconvenient conveyance - the wind was high enough to make some of the passengers cascade I was not sick, but we tossed a good deal from the wind being contrary, it was so cold that I was glad to creep down into a wretched place they termed a cabin - where we were perfumed by the distressing smell of stinking bundles of dried fish - I suppose we must be nearly four hours travelling in this way - Father thought we should not have reached the shore so soon as we did had it come on bad weather we should have been in a sad state, we repented heartily that we did not take a Chaise from Mistley - but I thank God we arrived at home in safety, how little God's mercy's are regarded - that Mighty God who keeps us by night and by day, who shields from thousands of evils - which we do not see - nor know, as well as from very many we might discover - and be humbly and heartily thankful for - if the love of God reigned in our hearts - and if that love does not dwell where - we are in a woeful state, and not at all fit for the Kingdom of God - which the Scripture directs as to seek first, alas alas that it is generally speaking - but a secondary consideration, so that by thus living and acting, we regard the body first the soul secondly - and God a far off - in comparison to the
estimation we have for the world - and the things of the world, but, will this bring us peace at the last? surely not.
O my dear children remember that this - and every part of the Scriptures are written to guide us into the way of peace, and if we do not esteem them as the Voice of Almighty God speaking to us his poor blinded creatures, warning us not even to go near the borders of that path which surely leads to death and everlasting ruin, the fault rests on ourselves, and woe unutterable will be the consequence!!! not that in our own strength we can escape from the wrath to come - but God daily lengthens out our time of grace - wherein we may by fervent prayer seek the assistance of his divine help to carry us safely through the dangers and temptations - he may see fit to permit us to be tried with - but, if we earnestly, heartily commit ourselves to his keeping - we have his sure promise - that none ever shall seek him in vain, but observed the whole heart, must be concerned in this holy search - or we have no room to hope to find - remember it is for your life!! The life of your soul, the life of your eternal happiness, surely, in ought to be our first, our last - our pursuit at all times - and reason never to be forgotten interest, and however we may be engaged; eternity and the care of providing for it should ever hang on our minds if - we hope to obtain a happy one. I had purposed sending this with Henry's books, but the carrier does not go till tomorrow, and I thought if I sent this by the post perhaps Ambrose might contrive to send John on later perhaps Mr Pettrick will be at Colchester Market and would bring him if Ambrose asked him - I prefer sending the books by Lambert as he has always taken care of what ever I have committed to him and I think as it is such a rainy time the books may get wet if I send them by the post man - they will be directed to the Horse and Groom. I wish they had been sent sooner we were mistaken as to the carriers day - I am sorry any fault of mine has kept Henry from the use of them
I shall write to Henry with them and should he not be with you when they arrive you need not send the letter after him I suppose Charles is with you - give our united love to him and to all your party - say we shall like to hear when we are likely to them (sic) - Father hopes he will bring his account book with him - that he may know how his account stands we shall be glad to hear how you are going on.
I pray God to bless and keep you all
believe me ever
your affte mother
Harwich June 24, 1830
Mrs John Ambrose
post paid Postmark Harwich 24 JU 1830
Note June 24, 1830 journey from Nayland by Chaise to Mistley lobster boat to Harwich.
Written on both sides of one sheet sealed with red sealing wax
35. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 16 Jul 1830. Liveing Archive 36a-c LT4
Harwich July 16, 1830.
My dear Julia
I am happy to say thank God, I am now pretty well but am afraid of leaving off my flannels as my neck often reminds me of the pains I have recently experienced. I went to Church last night for the first time - and I went out on the day before by the desire of poor Sally Stow to attend at the making of her Will - she has given me a double chest of drawers, and to Harriet all that is in them, and requested that she might be buried decently, and to have a good oak coffin - did not wish any finery but to have the grave bricked up with foot and headstone - she has divided her Chinese bowls among her mistresses two to Mrs Logan and two to Mrs Jansen - and two to me - or to Harriet I forget which - and a pair of table spoons to one of us - to Harriet I think - and one to each of her sons - a large tablecloth to me - and some Delft plates too little Master who called on her many times - and seemed to like the plates - she meant John - she ordered that they might be packed carefully that they might not be chipped and sent to him - poor thing I begged her to leave her effects to her friends she said she had none - for those who had some relation to her had used her cruelly - and had robbed her shamefully. Mr R Barns made the will - while Harriet and I were present - and as I several times pressed her to leave them to her friends - Mr B - said I am come to make Sally's Will and you must let it be as she directs
or she won't be happy. I felt very uncomfortable and heartily wished she had not fixed on me to take anything her mother and herself had earned so very hardly I may say indeed by the sweat of their brows, but it was forced to be so - for indeed she had told Harriet while I was from home when talking about making her will - that indeed it would not be her will for her mother told her that what she might have the spare to give it to me - so then on her account she had a double desire, poor thing she died yesterday about three o'clock past noon - 15th - she was taken ill on the Friday before, and appeared to be struck with death at first. I feel quite vexed for her, and I heartily prayed she might recover - how I shall miss her - we had such dependence on her - I hope she is gone to a better place, she was not unwilling to die - said if she lived she should thank God and if she died she should go to God, and prayed him to receive her soul I hope her prayers were heard, she suffered much from pain in her body, and sickness, but retained her senses till the last perfectly - she told Mrs Logan lately that she was the same age as the King - it was rather remarkable that she should die on the day in which he was interred - this is also my age - all my old friends are dropping into the grave - within the last few years how many have left me - my departure must be near o god fit me for that solemn awful period, may the thought of the continual presence of God pervade all our minds, which will keep us many times from doing amiss - it will keep the end - in view - again I say o that
God may grant us his holy Spirit to fit us for His Salvation pray God amen - amen -
we are very glad to hear that Ambrose is better - we have a bed for him if he can manage to come and take the air - we are also glad to hear that you are well, and that your clover has not suffered considerably. I think we may have had drier weather than you - Mr Cox has all his in - and Mr Powling says there were three in which the hay made quicker than ever he remembered it to do before - so I hope you were forwarder than you appear to be - by having grass to cut at this time - this is the fourth fine day we have had successively.
Charles bids me say that he left his watch at the head of the bed he slept in - he is rather worried that it has never been mentioned when ever you have written - he is sure that he left it there so trusts that it is safe - if you have not taken care of it - you had better do so now - we are very glad John's eye is better - and hope you will not keep him from school - and that you have sent Tom off - it's a false kindness to detain him when he might be profiting - such long holidays makes them idle and they lose much of that they have acquired.
My dear Henry - you have my hearty prayers - and these frequently put up to the Almighty that he would order all events for you spiritually as well as temporal interest - God Almighty prepare your Soul by his Holy Spirit for the vast change which appears to lay before you - remember, it is not an easy thing, to be a real Christian, and that God has promised to give his Holy Spirit to those who ardently and constantly desire it - O beseech him with your whole heart to help you, pray night and day to him - as Isaiah say's give Him no rest - be exceedingly importunate - wrestle with Him till you prevail with Him for Christ's sake to give you His blessing then you must do well. O do not lightly regard your Mothers fervent desires - and request - remember tis for your life - the life of your Soul. I wish you had Bridges on the Ministry - I am sending his comments on the 119 Psalm - my Brr T .. sent it to me to read - it is indeed excellent - we are very glad to hear that you are well - and one and all write in love and best
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wishes for your well doing - let us hear as soon as you know anything further - but you will come perhaps - I hope you won't go that long expensive journey if you can avoid it - pray consider every expense - and avoid as much as you can - we are only Stewards for all God gives to us - and must remember him and account how we laid out - for the eye of God is ever on you and on me - bear this in mind - your time also must be accounted for also - do not forget - but make the most of it - or the mistake of it will sting by and by like a serpent - when it cannot be recalled
give our kind regards to Mr Ambrose and love to the boys how does how does poor Mrs Ambrose?, remember us to her - Charles with his Wife and Miss Beaumont and with us and one all will
Harriet is but so, so, she is worried having been with poor Sally so often - she can get no rest - I can only say pray God bless you all for ever
your aff mother
Mrs John Ambrose
near Colchester Efsex
Postmark Harwich 1830
Written on both sides of one sheet of paper noted on the address panel " 16 July 1830 will and death of Sally Stow"
36. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 23 Nov 1830. Liveing Archive 42a-d LT4
Harwich November 23, 1830
My dear Julia
we are glad you are returned to your husband and home safety I think I may venture to say he was very glad to have you again filling your place - he must have missed you very much, I heartily wish that the purpose you went for have answered your expectations. I did not know that you had left home till I heard from Charles, and I wondered you had not written I had determined to write when his letter came and we shall be glad to hear again from you very soon - Har't (Harriet?)and I am afraid you have not gotten your money off Mr Turner - if you have not, and have reason to fear you shall not, when you write make a mark at the corner of your letter // for I don't like your F should vext about it - how does your little Captain, pray say that we enquire after him and present our compliments - you did not mention anything about the fan I returned, I should much like to know where I get it, don't forget to say when you write - you was also to have told us whether your great horse has recovered from his indisposition - I suppose you got the money I sent to pay any debts - you did not mention whether Henry's flannel waistcoats were to be made like William's the width of the flannel makes the length of the waistcoat - I have now sent a shirt I have made which I hope he will like I have not had any more made till I hear how he approves of this - Harriet has taken the trouble to plait the frill small - but Mr Beamont's was only laid in single folds - this irons very well with the Italian iron, of course it is quicker done - I did not know where the button holes were to be made in the bosom so they are left undone
I have also sent him and another pair of drawers - I purposed asking you to come and stay a little with us but as you have been so long from home I suppose I must not now mentioned such a thing - it was a sad thing to be so unwell while you are away - it is particularly disagreeable when you are visiting - but it must be when it pleases God it was Bishop Ken (Bishop of Bath & Wells) - or Barnard Gilpin - who used to carry his shroud with him - when he went from home - saying " it was as likely to be wanted as any other part of his dress " they were both good men - and lived in readiness for their shroud always - O what a blessed state. God enable you and I and all who are dear to us - so to improve our time - that we to may be ready when the God of mercies see fit to call us out of this world. O may He grant us his holy Spirit to prepare us for a better, amen - you said that Charles could buy me a piece more of the green silk you was (sic) so good to buy me - I should like enough for another pair of sleeves - I had occasion to write to him and sent a small piece and requested him to get me a piece I said a yard and quarter but I wish I had said two yards - I don't know whether he knows where you bought - but I told him I was going to write to you and would ask you - if you should write to him before you write to me tell him how much and where to go - if you don't write to him soon - I shall have occasion - so tell me - we are thinking about Robert - our members are out of the way of helping him we are afraid (sic) have been writing to Charles respecting the business have you gotten the money on your mortgage - or have you no prospect of it? don't forget to mention it - I hope your health has been better since your return home - William had a long windy passage from Cuxhaven of 12 days blown I can't tell where
he get in last Thursday in safety without other damage than much wear to rigging etc thank God - I felt very uneasy about him - Freshfeelos dinner was on Friday and W is sailed for Holland on Saturday - he get home in good time - and order on Friday evening, I thanks God for that - I wish Ambrose was well rid of his threshing machine - for fear of it bringing mischief on him, sad accounts of burnings - I pray God to keep you in safety - we may well say " the watchman waketh but in vain if God does not keep you" how necessary to put ourselves under the protection of the Almighty - or how can we expect to dwell in safety? Uncle H - has sent me a book to read chiefly on prayer - it speaks of wandering thoughts while in prayer - says could they be all written down - mixed up with our prayers as they occur - and we could read them afterwards - should we not be ashamed to present the composition even to our fellow creature"? how then can we expect they should be pleasing to the Almighty God and how can we expect then our petitions for safety - for comforts of this life - for pardon for peace and blessedness in the next life will be heard, and granted to such ungracious vile creatures? O Lord help us - and by thy great power enable us to love thee more - and serve thee better may such thoughts as these pervade our minds when we draw near to address the all seeing God in prayer - that we may strive to put away all thoughts, but those, that will be acceptable to the God whom we address - that we may not be worshipping that things of time and sense - those idols that obtrude on our minds - instead of the God of Heaven, which will make our prayers an offence, instead of a Christian sacrifice - Harriet went at noon to Ipswich as we had several little matters which wanted seeing after I expect she will stay two or three days with Mrs Elston
I expect her back again this week - she would have liked to have stayed with you a little while but as neither she nor I knew when you were likely to return - I thought - and told her she had better come home I missed her very much - I also wanted her to go to Ipswich also I wish you lived nearer to us - but it's a vain wish for you can't come - and your Father don't like to remove - we are I thank God as well as old people must expect to be - aches and pain we must have I bless God they are no worse - I should get your Father to Ipswich more and then if our old friend was there - the change does him and me good I always think - we hear that Mr Cox has an order to have the Packet arms got in readiness to be taken on board when wanted - it does not look well - but I am afraid like war - things bear so bad an aspect - that F says he don't know what will be the end - nor no one die ? - God protect us - let us hear from you very soon and how you manage about money on the mortgages - accept and distribute our love - O that God may bless and keep you all for ever and ever
believe me your affte Mother
Then follows upside down
when I send by the carrier I mean to send your brushes etc ?
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Wednesday morning I have now a letter from Charles who says he has sent the shawl to you and shall send the silk I ordered to you also if he get it. Poor Mary I fear is in a bad way - he is very unhappy about her - and by his writing feared the worst - poor Robert is not established - and our
. . . . . . are gone out - but Charles still hopes, wither on good grounds I don't know.
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when I mentioned prayer I ought to have gone on with his remarks as follows, that we may take hope altho our prayers are imperfect yet through the intercession of our divine mediator so much of them as really come from the heart with humility and reverence we may trust will be heard for Christ's sake - and an answer sent, in God's good time - in the way that His wisdom knows will be best for us - for it would not always be best to have what we pray for granted, eventually - he trusts then what he has said, will not give encouragement to wandering thoughts or inattention to the great business of prayer, as formality in prayer - is always to be lamented - and heartily deplored - and when we rise from our knees, each one should ask himself, how have I performed my devotions? how have I thanked God for his mercies, and blessing? how have I entreated forgiveness and asked for strength to resist evil? in short has my heart been so concerned in my petitions that I may hope they will be heard - for the sake of Him who intercedes for me at the right hand of the all Holy - All Mighty God -
Entered later in the column: Nov 23 1830
Written on a note glued to the letter: Julia in London, Harriet to Ipswich, Mrs Elston , fears of Burnings , Cox has orders for arms on Packet
37. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 20 Dec 1830.
December 20, 1830
My dear Catherine
We are sorry to learn that the wretched creatures who burn up the very bread which they stand in so much need of have visited your neighbourhood, what a strange inconsistency, it appears to me that they are determined if they cannot live as they would wish that nobody else shall live better than themselves and that by destroying all the property they can they shall in time bring all on a level.#
I read Judge Taunton's speech to the jurors and I remarked that I thought the clergy could not do better than to preach it with a little addition instead of a sermon - it's a good plan to have it put up in all places of resort as well but all cannot read it it would therefore be a good plan to let people hear it from the pulpit it is high time to use every means to warn them as well as to detect the wretches -- it's become a National concern as well as individual suffering they are using the means to bring famine I pray the good God to have mercy on us - a passage in the psalms frequently comes into my mind and more especially when human means (however right) are anged "If the Lord keeps not the city the watchman waketh but in vain" no doubt my dear this is a visitation for our manifold sins (as you have observed) God spake once and twice but man will not hearken - so destruction suddenly comes and what can we expect less? "when God is provoked every day".
Harriet don't like the idea of Edwd being a constable she is afraid it should bring him among the rioters. I tell her if there was a riot near him he would be there and his having authority I hope would lessen his danger but she replies now he is a constable he must go from home if he is called upon but I hope that is not the case. Troubles surround us - everyone as far as they can must make the best of themselves looking up to him who alone can shield from dangers. These sad events shows the great necessity of self-examination, it points to the heart of every one to consider their ways and to discover as far as possible in what way they offend the Almighty. To take shame - pray for help and repentance and the blessing of a new heart. God grant it to us. I thank God we have had not disturbance here - we have had a special Visiting to consult on some plan to employ those who were out of work and to raise a fund for their benefit by way of adding to their small earnings for its difficult to find anything for them to do.
We are glad to learn that you were when writing pretty well. I thank God that I am able to report the same of ourselves mercies daily mercies O that we had but a due sense of them then we should learn to be more thankful -- William came in on S(a)turday (sic) we were glad to see him after such windy weather. God's goodness kept him I expect he will take the mail on Wednesday and there are a family come to go with him, of seven. I wonder they should travel at this season and in these disturbed times.
I hope the weather will be better for I am always in pain for him in bad weather - father sent his compliments to Mr Dutton (Datton?) (the agent at Cuxhaven) and requested the favour of a couple of hams if they could spare them they were so kind to spare them although they had but three - they are seldom to be had at this time of the year. They are partial to a father and like to oblige him I don't know what the price is, when William go shall commission him to pay for them.
Your French woman behaved very unlike a lady, Harriet tells me however that you have all benefited from her tuition. I am glad your money has not been thrown away for you will be better able to instruct the children give Grandpapa's and Grand M's love and a kiss to them all (and you must not leave Aunt out) we have sent them some figs which I know they all like.
Willm generally stays at home one voyage in the winter he talks of asking leave to do so now W says if you were to smoke your own hands with tars (sic) they would be as good if not better than these, we had a letter from Charles on Sunday he says that Mary Ann is better than she has been this year - what a mercy!! We expect Tom on Wednesday or Thursday pray remember us very kindly to my brother and Mrs Harrold pray tell my brother I am much obliged for the medlars (sic) I enjoyed them, and to your good mother and also to Miss Alston and present my thanks for the loan of her book I sent it in a basket to Julia with a request to take care of it and send it to Miss Alston very soon and hoped she would find time to read it as it is very worth reading we take care of your books. Oberlin* was an extraordinary good man - practised great self-denial - give our united best loved to Edwd and accept
the same may God Almighties protecting arms defend and save you all and all those who are dear to us Believe me ever your affectionate mother
I have sent you a brown silk hand/kt Liveing has made use of it it - has been washed twice - I sent this instead of one which has not been used because it is so much better looking - Father says the boat ought to be washed clean and put into the house for the winter.
# The compiler has taken this to be the "Swing Riots"
Ref's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Riots
* Pastor of Walbach?
Written on a single page on four sides and sealed.
Orginal in Fenn archive Ref L5
38. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 1831. Liveing Archive 103 a-d LT9
39. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 20 Jan 1831. Liveing Archive 37a-e LT4
Harwich Jan 20 1831
My dear Julia
I have been talking of writing ever since I received your last letter, I don't know whether you have seen Henry, he left us last Saturday was a week for Ipswich, and from thence to Hadlegh (sic), and he also purposed going to Nayland next - I have not heard of or from him, since he left us - I begged of him to return here - and not to go to trouble you - but he determined on the above route - he was so unlucky to promise Capt Deane to send him Mr Plumes terms for pupils - and all etc which he has not done, of course he has forgotten to do so, or he has not been at your home. Capt Deane has just now come to complain of his breach of promise, I have made the best of it and promised to write to you by this night's post - and to request you will write directly and let me bear the whole expense you have been charged and also whether he has a vacancy - and Capt Deane requested me to add if you could inform him of some convenient mode of conveying him from hence to Mr Plumes should other matters be concluded on - I replied that I did not know that you could do that - for of course you carried your son - however I promise d to ask whether you knew of any mode as being nearer that part you were more likely to know of a conveyance (if there is one) than Capt Deane he says. I hope as Henry has delayed that you will give me the wished for intimations directly say also when the school open 'd or opens - are your boys gone? what have you done with Tom?
I pray God direct you for the best, he wants great subordination I know from experience, and if you, and Ambrose have real affection for him in the true acceptation (sic) of the term & you will both be determined that he shall - be made to behave well at home or if he is ever so well governed at school, if he is allowed to undo all as soon as he gets under his parents roof - he will never be a comfort to you - nor be happy himself - without he is happy in ill doing - the Scripture admonishes you to restrain your child betimes - to train him in the way he should go - that when he grows up he may not depart from the right way - at least then you may not have to accuse yourselves - for want of duty to him - pray don't split on that rock , or you will bitterly lament it when it will be too late. O ! do your uttermost to save your child indulgences alone won't lead him right - if you don't govern him now, you never never will - do all you can - they may not be by any means what you could wish them - alas I feel and lament it - but - if you don't do your utmost - much very much blame must and will fall on you - for which you must account to the Mighty God - O! do not suffer him to go with the people when he comes home nor with the boys - if he won't play in the garden don't let him go out at all - when you see fit to desire him to do anything - be firm - and make him - do it - I speak to his Father as well as to you - for if you are not both agreed - you will do nothing with your children - remember that the salvation of their immortal souls depends very much on the way they have been trained in their early days - a mistake in their first years is almost sure to lead to ruin - it's a momentous concern be more desirous (much more) to promote their everlasting well doing, than there temporal - the term of their natural life will soon terminate - but their eternal state can never end think - O think what everlasting pains must be, where no intermission can be found - no end can even be hoped for
remember - children that won't obey parents - (I mean those who have their real interest at heart) will never obey God - you may see that this will bar them out of heaven - without a timely repentance. God of his infinite mercy help you - strengthen you and give you both courage - to be your children's real friends shall I add another passage of Scripture which strikes me - in this case terribly "let not thy soul spare for his crying" in other words - be their governess - and let them not get the better of you - they may be managed without many blows - be determined to be obeyed - and they will soon be sensible that they must - when they cannot be managed without stripes - they must have them - or your own souls are at stake as well as theirs - "if the rod is spared, when it ought to be used, you will spoil the children" but as I before observed there won't be occasion to use it often if you manage - being fully determined to govern - whatever you desire to be done - make a point of having it done - don't give way in this or you lose your authority at once - although it may be but a trifle - it's of much consequence - much more than you may imagine, advantage will be taken - on the next opportunity, depend on it you will lose ground directly as your children have governed you both - it will cost you much labour and much trouble - to bring them into good order - but don't let your courage fail - look up to God for help - and think you here him say, bring these children that I have given you up for me - strain every nerve to keep them from idleness and vice - I know it's a great work - but would you think much of any trouble you could take, to save them from being drowned or to save their lives in any other way Would you think your time lost or slighting some temporal concern of like consequence to their lives thus then think of their eternal all - and rule them if possible - or you will never bring them to God. The very thought is dreadful - I beg - I beseech you delay no longer - every day is precious - you know not how long you have to live how soon they may want a parent's hand to guide and to restrain them may God Almighty give you to see the great necessity of bringing them into subjection.
be not discouraged it's a great work but it is the very best you can be imployed (sic) in - but I must again repeat you must go hand in hand together - if you are not agreed to make them mind you both - you will fail most asssuredly - your countenance also must support your commands for if you smile when you ought to be serious - your authority is gone - once more I pray God to be with you, and guide you in this best of works - (in great measure ) saving of your children. O ! be their best friends
poor Nancy Cope is gone I hope to heaven she has been a great sufferer in mind more than body - John Clifton hanged himself last Sunday was a week - oh dreadful - he had no friend and I fear did not lead a good life - God keeps us all - and save our souls from death amen - is old Bateman able to go about your work. What a mercy that you have been saved from flames - poor old Mrs Osborne? hopes you will sell your corn before it is burned she thinks about you she tells me -except and present our United love yours ever affectionately
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I hope you did not keep Miss Alston's book - for Harriet promised to send it soon for she has not read it when she sent it to me - say when you sent it - I am in pain fearing that you kept it.
Mrs John Ambrose
post paid postmark Harwich 20 J a 1831
Written on both sides of one sheet sealed with red sealing wax
Written in the address panel Jan 20 1831 management of unruly children. Capt Deane wants particulars of Mr Plums school. Nancy Cope's death. John Clifton hangs himself fears of Rick burning. Also a column of figures with meaningless notations totalling L188 2s 2d
40. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 7 Feb 1831.
My dear Catherine,
This morning before I was up as I was reading and admiring the 103 Psalm it came into my mind that I made John Ambrose get it by heart (the prayer book version) And why should I not with that my other grandchildren should do the same now. I know that your children have abundant lessons to learn but I think they may get one verse on a Sunday and repeat on the following Sunday the former verse with the second and so on till they repeat the whole - it is a most beautiful composition, showing the unbounded goodness and mercy of God and mans perishable state. I don't expect that the children can now, fully comprehend, the scope of this divine hymn - but if it is now and then repeated, it will be kept up in their mind, and here after they will be benefitted. They will learn to extol God's goodness and a bend their heart with their knee.
You will say but we must ask God's blessing upon the means used all we shall not glorify God - or benefit our own souls - this is most true. Ti's an imperative duty on parents to water their instructions by fervent prayer for the dew of God's heavenly Grace - accept this hint, though I hardly think you need it but we ought to bring to each other's minds
the one great concern which ought to be ever going forward, ever building up till we mount to the highest heaven. I pray the good God to be ever with you may He bless your endeavours may He be your guide thro the world -- this troublesome vain world to a better amen.
We are pretty well God be praised for all his mercies and right in affectionate regard to our dear children with their Father and Mother give my love to my Brother, Mrs Harrold, your good mother and aunt present our kind regards
believe me ever Affectionately yours
February 7, 1831
we happened of these pigeons in our market and knowing you are fond of them have sent them with the ducks - we have had to brace of pheasants sent us - 1 of them we sent to Dr Miller and the other to Mr Highum which I was very glad to be able to do.
Written on two sides of one piece of paper
Original in Fenn archive Ref L7
41. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 22 Feb 1831. Liveing Archive 105 a-d LT9
42. Harriet's Letters: To Her Son Edward, 28 Mar 1831 ?.
Harwich Monday afternoon (28 March?)
My dear Edward
The captain of the ship came here on Saturday (we suppose by land) but the ship has not arrived - yesterday your father heard that a large party were come to the White Heart in wagons and after church he went to speak to the Capt but he was much engaged with the overseer's (we suppose) that he did not notice him as he learnt from Mrs Blitzend that the Nayland people were not come - and then the Capt said he should send a man and horse to give you information of the vessel's arrival. They also said the Capt is uneasy about the ship the wind was fair on Saturday and Sunday, it is bad for them today.
With respect to canvass Father bids me say he has some but thinks that new, will answer better than old if you have to buy it. He went to look at some today - brown canvas is commonly used for tar paulings it is 2 feet wide at 11p per yard if you will say how long and how wide it is to be we had better get it made here as you have no sailmakers near you.
I thank God I have lost the violence of the cough - what remains has shifted its seat from my chest, to my throat the old place - I don't know how it is, every trifle gives me cold and adds to the cough. I never used to be so susceptible of cold, but I may say to myself, as I say to your Father when he complains of pains which he never had before "you never was so old before" he is I bless God pretty well he completed his 71st year on the 16 day of this month how near Eternity we must be pray for us, that we may be made fit for a happy one. I covert the prayers
of all my family, they are much in my debt in that way, but I hope they will remain so no longer.
I am ashamed that I have kept your books so long, I purpose sending them shortly. I have not gotten through Wilberforce he requires to be read with great attention his work is a fine sieve he suffers no defects to pass unnoticed he clearly shows you that it's no easy thing to be a Christian indeed and to be almost, and not altogether, is ruin this consideration will make us cry mightily to God for help - or nothing will. Want of consideration was the complaint God made against the Israelites "my people do not consider" I heartily pray that you and I and all my dear family with their Father at their head may love God more - and serve him better as it is our bounden duty. Pray let this great concern ever rest on your mind it will stimulate you to govern your temper you will see things in a different light - it will make you a happier man and will enable you to do more good. Suavity of manner is very desirable especially among the sick it will sometimes do as much good as medicine I pray God to help you, and help me - and help us all for we have all great need and can do nothing as we ought without divine assistance let us not fail them to intreat God for it by night and by day the constant impression of the Eye of God being ever on us will act as a strong incentive to keep us from doing evil and to lead us to do that that is right.
Your father has now been to look for the ship - and learns that a vessel passed her about halfway from London - should be moderate weather your father thinks it probable they may be here tomorrow.
I earnestly hope your patiens who has lost his leg will do well say when you write whether he is getting on as you wish - God guide you in all your undertakings.
Julia has been to see us she stayed a week, Ambrose came for her on Saturday night, and they set off on last Tuesday morning for Copford and took Harriet with them we sent their packages by the carrier. Ambrose said the horse would carry them very well a good deal of persuasion was used to make Harriet go, Julia was half angry that she had not been to see her of so long a time.
Harriet is very poorly she is so pale she vexes me when I look at her - she will fret fearing that Robert will lose the situation - should the reform Bill pass we . . . . . we can to make her hope for the best and to leave the event to God - I have observed to her that even if . . . . . he had it it might not eventually be best. I want her to lean more on God and less on man - Charles writes that he is much liked and he has no doubt but he will do well and if Clerks are appointed it is most likely he will be established.
Julia looks very delicate is much thinner she was never for so long from her paternal roof 16 months since she was at Harwich - what can be done with or for Henry? He is a great trouble to me - and to us all he is a trial if ever I prayed with my whole heart it is for him that God would make him fit for the great work he has been brought up for or never suffer him to go into a pulpit - O pray to him - pray for God's guidance. We are very glad to hear that you are all pretty well give our kind love to dear Katy and children - and remember us kindly to my brother and Mrs Harrold also to Mrs Downing and Miss Alston - I pray God to bless you and be with you all
believe me ever your Affectionate Mother
Written on three sides of a page, folded inserted and sealed, faint postmark Harwich ?8 MA 1831. Damaged with words missing in places.
Note by G. D. Liveing my grandmother L to my father 1831 as postmark shows feebly she says my grandfather completed his 71st year on the 16th of this month but does(nt sic) name the month"
Note by Alston A Fenn "references to Julia Ambrose also to Harriet and Robert Fenn"
Original in Fenn archive Ref L8
43. Harriet's Letters: To Grandaughter Mary Kate Liveing, 19 Apr 1831. Liveing Archive 38a-d LT4
My dear Mary
I am much obliged to you for taking the pains to draw me such a very pretty flower, and another picture of horses and men - really you have performed much better than I could have expected such a little girl could have done - you will I have no doubt go on to improve, and by and by draw as well as dear papa.
What a good thing it is my dear Mary to have such kind parents - and friends to take care of you, and to teach you all that is right. God my dear child gives you all - your kind friends, then you must attend to all they say, and you must learn to thank God for them, and to pray to Him with your whole heart that He may preserve
them to you in health, and that He may bless them, and also pray for a blessing on yourself - as well as for your sisters and brother.
Grand papa and Aunt desire their love to you - and to all my dear Grandchildren.
Think of me as your
affectionate Grand Mama
April 19, 1831
remember me very kindly To Grand Mama Downing - and to Aunt Sally
Noted on the address panel: Grandmother Liveing; Mrs Liveing of Harwich to Aunt Mary 1831 (Mary Kate Liveing)
Written on two half sides of one piece of paper.
44. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 22 Jun 1831. Liveing Archive 104 a-d LT9
45. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 22 Jul 1831. Liveing Archive 102 a-d LT9
46. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Aug 1831. Liveing Archive 106 a-d LT9
47. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 24 Sep 1831. Liveing Archive 107 a-d LT9
48. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 7 Dec 1831. Liveing Archive 108 a-d LT9
49. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, 18 Dec 1831.
December 18, 1831
Sunday after Church
My dear Catherine
Knowing that you take a kind concern in any thing that meteriable affects us, induces me to write, not doubting that you are aware of Henry's being at London for Ordination and, supposing that you may not have heard from thence we thought it would afford you and Edwd (at least) pleasing satisfaction to hear, thro Charles, that Henry has had four days examination, and has passed very satisfactorily indeed, the Bishop personally commended him for his good Latin, (and there is not a better critic in England) and also, said that he was well read in the Scriptures, indeed he appears to have done very well. Mr Scott has engaged that Henry should have Surplice Fees - which he says are L16 per annum. The Bishop talk to him much about the parish of Wix, and gave him his advice thereon. Henry dines with him tomorrow (Saturday) with the Bishop - and will be ordained on Sunday morning with 20 others - thus far all in Charles words. O he is and has been much on my mind may the Spirit of God be ever on him that he may not do the work of God by halves. God Almighty grant that he may stand up in his name and do the work of the Ministry faithfully heartily and acceptably to God that when he has preached to others he may not be a castaway - O do him the kindness to pray heartily
for him its a duty we all owe each other and you are all much in my debt that way - I pray pay me that thou owest me.
I understand that the people at Wix are quarrelsome and that there are many Desenters there. I propose advising him to live as quietly among them as he can and by soft and persuasive manners and methods to win them over when occasion offers - a quarrelling clergyman can never do any good to the souls of the people around him - perhaps you will advise him on the subject. God prosper His work in his hands.
Charles sent a note he recently recd from Mr Scott Mrs Scott died lately his son and his wife (he writes) will be in London next week when our mortgage business will in all probability be settled which will be some relief to your Father's mind, you have heard no doubt of the great loss we are likely to have respecting Packets - and as it is not brought on by our own misconduct we bear it much better than if otherwise - as all the good things are only lent to us, He who gave them to us for a while has a right to take them again when He thinks fit - thus I look at it and I bless the God of all mercies that he has still allowed us to hold a part - that he has not taken all from us this is the doctrine I often set forth - it's a great comfort to bear in mind Gods care over us our Saviour says "even the hairs of your head are all numbered" and "are not two sparrows sold for a farthing and not one of them falls to the ground without your heavenly Father"
then be of good courage - Ye of more value than many sparrows we are also directed "to cast our burden on the Lord and he will sustain us" We have had no official account of the intention of the port master General perhaps he has not come to a conclusion on the business - should go forward as it has been reported I don't know what William will do it appears that he is in danger of being turned adrift as one of the juniors but as I have said we don't know how it may turn out God orders all things best for us - our Lord says "man ought always to pray and not to faint" Charles letter came in a parcel by a neighbour last night but we did not get it till just as we were going to Church - Father would not open it till we came from Church fearing there might be something to make us anxious. God be praised all was well as far as it goes. Charles says there will another dividend . . . . . Jackamans paid only the 3rd January - I sh. . . . . 3d in the pound - they have been no little time settli. . . . . this pretty business. I continue sadly deaf how thankful I should be to hear only as well as I usually do - I cant hear half the sermon - not enough to edify from it at all - I am a sad trouble to those who talk to me - I have had oil of almonds dropped in my ear - and I have had both ears syringed with warm soap and water but I dont find benefit at all. Mrs Graham tells meet Mr Graham has found benefit from warm rum being put in I have only had it once - for I have had a most violent stiff neck - I have been in agonies. Harriet ironed it nearly from morning till night which relieved me very much - it is not yet quite right - I propose in a day or two to try the rum again
Accept and present our best love to Edward and to all our friends
God be with you all prays your aff Mother
Harriet is very poorly - looks about the colour of a turnip I think she much want some pills like those Edwd ordered for Miss Beaumont - she puts me in pain to see her - our new troubles have not made her better
I don't know whether Julia has heard from London so if you please direct this to her and put it in your post.
Charles adds we hope you are all better should be glad to hear how you get on - one of us will write when Henrys affair is over.
Let me dear Julia have this letter again when you have an opportunity because I like to keep them when I'm not ordered to burn them - I wish I had many more for there is always something good in them - we are all well and unite in kind love
Your affectionate Sister
C. M. Liveing
This letter is written on all sides of one sheet folded inserted and sealed. Postmarked "Harwi De 18 1831" it is damaged where the seal has been fixed, it is readdressed to:
Mr & Mrs J Ambrose
A note in George Downing Liveing's hand reads "My grandmother Liveing to my mother relates to my Uncle Henry's ordination & expected losses owing to changes in the Post Office service"
Original in Fenn archive Ref L9
50. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 22 Dec 1831. Liveing Archive 41a-c LT4
Harwich December 22, 1831
Inserted at the top of page1
how our time runs - another year nearer to eternity - are we better prepared for it - than we were last year.
My dear Julia
I don't know whether you have heard any further of or from Henry, since you saw my letter to Catharine, which I suppose she directed to you - we had a letter from Charles last Tuesday - which I shall transcribe as (if you have not heard from Harry) it will give you pleasure - Charles says as Henry is gone to Bromley to Mr Scott I have promised to write - but I am so ill today although I am better that I have not been to the office today, I have had a very painful and inflamed nose I have been compelled to have advice - it is now better and will do very well, but it made my throat and head very bad - Henry has passed a very capital examination - the Bishops took much notice of him - and when he gave them the chance after the examination was over he said publicly that this year's examination altogether was the best he had ever known and that all the men had done well, very well, but that 5 of them were very superior - and he named them - and I am happy to say that Henry was one of them - which was very creditable - there were 36 men examined - although I was very ill yet I and Robert went to see him ordained - which took place yesterday (Sunday last) at St James Church Piccadilly - by the Bishops of London after a most impressive sermon to them. Henry is going to Cambridge I think - before his return to take his Masters Degree - providing Mr Barminster will officiate for him on Christmas Day, you will soon see him, and then he will tell you how kindly the Bishop was in giving him private advice about his parish etc" - you will I am sure partake of the same feelings with us on Henry's passing through so well - but O dear Julia unite your prayers with mine that he may be ordained
of God - to stand up in His name to proclaim the glad tidings of the Gospel.
We have heard nothing more from the Post Office Capt Deane being out of the service makes the duty come more heavily on those who remain - I am really sorry for them all - for they are nearly prisoners in their vessels they are obliged to perform quarantine at Holland now the Dutch have learned that we have Cholera so they will not allow them to come onshore - William we learn had a good and quick passage to Cuxhaven, he sailed on Friday morning and arrived at Cuxhaven on Sunday and took the mail on the Thursday following - I fear he will not have a good passage back - God preserve him - God order all things best - for him - and for us all - for we know not what is best in this world for ourselves - we hope you are all pretty well we are much as usual - thank God not worse - I am still deaf - I am thankful that Charles could tell us that he was better - for I think the nose is a very serious part to be so inflamed - as I don't know where Henry may be I have added my letter to him to yours and I wrote to Charles yesterday - and said several things then that I wished Henry to know - thinking then he may yet be with him - perhaps you may know whether Edw has heard from Charles or Henry since his ordination if not they would like to hear about it you can cut this off from the other side and add half a sheet to it and send it to Nayland.
accept our united love and present it to Ambrose and your sons - hoping that they have learnt to behave well to everybody - but more particularly to their parents if not they cannot go to heaven when they die - what a dreadful thing that will be - tell them I say so - God bless you all
No envelope written on both sides of one sheet, a note glued to the letter reads
22 December 1831 Capt Deane out of PO service heavy work for rest Quarantine in Holland owing to Cholera here Uncle Henry ordained at St James Picc Uncle Charles bad nose
51. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 3 Feb 1832. Liveing Archive 110 a-d LT9
52. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter Harriet, 10 Feb 1832.
My dear Harriet
I am thankful I ought to have said we are thankful that it has please God to bring dear Catherine thus far thro - Father unites his love with mine to her and say we join our praises to God with her as for His great mercies vouchsafed and trust Him for a continuance of them to her let us hear from you soon we hope you'll be able to give a good account another Liveing come into the world!! if he lives may he be a blessing to his parents - to his relatives, and to all about him, I pray that God may give him a right mind then he will be a blessing to himself - then God will crown him with blessings everlasting - O may these blessings rest on every branch of my dear family may the end be always kept in view, then how differently we should all act - in many things, how many words we should leave unsaid - how many evils, and follies would be avoided - how much more our lives would benefit others and eventually ourselves it has been strongly recommended to let three words ever hang on the mind "God is present" was the mind early imbibed with the sense that God is so near (always) it would be a means of leading them to Him. God direct and keep us all, may he never - never leave us. Talk to Tom - endeavour to impress his mind that the eye of the Almighty God is ever on him - and
that if he hopes to do well in this world and to obtain the blessed of the next (thro atoneing blood) he must ever remember that not only the omniscient God sees him here but he must stand one day to be judged before that Mighty God - this impression will be a means to prevent his falling into many evils, and follies, and will leave him frequently to mentally address the Almighty on very many occasions in life knowing that He alone can lead him right - and can alone give grace and power to practice right - to Him may he look - to Him may we all look for help and comfort.
I sat up in my bed and wrote thus far - Mrs Logan led us to think we might get Mrs Whalebone to do for Henry but she is much engaged at home as her youngest daughter is in delicate health has been brought up a dress make (as it is termed) and cannot do hard work her son wants her assistance also, so she has enough to do - Mrs Logan told me she had set her brains to work to find somebody that would take care and do for him but can't think of anybody - I have written to Julia to exert herself for him and now request you to ask Catherine to turn over in her mind who are fit and likely to be willing to serve him - she ought not to be very young for the sake of character and if she is not careful - she will half ruin him - she need be careful clean and able to cook in a common plain way the boy he is to have is a quiet handy boy - remarkably to Julia he is as good as half the maidservants - which would accommodate the woman very much - I can't help feeling
very anxious respecting him and should feel it a mercy should a proper person be found - a new servant is a formidable event to me - I dread having to do with one - or I should not always keep one so long - should you find one write to Julia at once.
Pray remember us to Mrs Harrold and Uncle - I shall be glad to hear that her good health is confirmed - I told Mr Logan yesterday of her arm - O a slight touch of palsy don't say I said so to Uncle - have you taken care of his letter?
I should have written yesterday, but as Tom's shirts are so bad I was willing to send the two Ive had made - we have had a wash, this rainy foggy weather and all the things I have bought for Henry in it - I have measured all the parts of the shirt and when you have seen them on and enquired how they are for length I purpose cutting more out as they can make the now at school - but you must let me hear from you first and say how many he wants - I would only have a convenient number as this is his growing time.
Willm came in on Tuesday noon and was liberated yesterday morning - he takes the Mail for Holland (as he has been four times to Cuxhaven and does not come on turn with bridge) he is pretty well - Father has been sadly anxious about his being so long behind - I feel he may be called to account for laying so long in Yarmouth roads but I endeavour to hope that the best he could not lay there for pleasure - for nobody could go to him nor he go onshore - dont say anything about when you write.
At last I have sent Ms Alstons book which I hope you will get safely
pray remember me very kindly to her and thank her for the loan of it so long I hope she is in better health.
It's a fine morning I mean to take a walk I have given up figs although they do not appear (to me) to disagree with me but much to the contrary - as I cut them in thin pieces before I eat them. I suppose I may eat an apple as I cannot do so without scraping - I seem to want something but I will forbear if necessary - I seldom take any other vegetable than potatoes - not them without they boil well - or they would give me pain directly - I thank God I have not had any other pains (or but seldom) than those I complain of in my head except rheumatic pains which fly about me in various parts.
Father bids me say if you want any money you must let us know and he will send you some.
Give our love to all the dear little children - I suppose they are all pleased with their new brother, except Anne - remember us kindly to Mrs Downing tell her we congratulate her on Catherine's affair - my love to Edd and tell him I beg he will use every means to be rid of the cough he has - the damp weather is against him
God bless you all forever
prays your Afft Mother
Friday February 10, 1832
Written on four sides of one page, sent in an envelope it appears.
Separate note by G D Liveing "my grandmother to my Aunt Fenn 1832 on birth of my brother Edward - various family matters"
Original in Fenn archive Ref L10
53. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 20 Mar 1832. Liveing Archive 120a-d LT11
54. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 27 Mar 1832. Liveing Archive 109 a-d LT9
55. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 9 Apr 1832. Liveing Archive 121a-d LT11
56. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 19 Apr 1832. Liveing Archive 122 a-d LT11
57. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 14 Aug 1832. Liveing Archive 123a-d LT11
58. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 18 Nov 1832. Liveing Archive 124a-d LT11
59. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 19 Nov 1832. Liveing Archive 125a-d LT11
60. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 18 Dec 1832. Liveing Archive 126a-d LT11
61. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 28 May 1833. Liveing Archive 128a-d LT11
62. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 14 Jun 1833. Liveing Archive 127a-d LT11
63. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 19 Jul 1833. Liveing Archive 129a-c LT11
64. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 5 Sep 1833. Liveing Archive 131a-d LT11
65. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 30 Dec 1833. Liveing Archive 130a-c LT11
66. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 30 Sep 1834. Liveing Archive 111a-e LT10
67. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 31 Dec 1834. Liveing Archive 112 a-d LT10
68. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Cir 1835. Liveing Archive 119 a-d LT10
69. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Cir 1835. Liveing Archive 117 a-d LT10
70. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, 3 Jan 1835. Liveing Archive 113 a-d LT10
71. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Jun 1835. Liveing Archive 114 a-d LT10
72. Harriet's Letters: To her son Rev Henry T Liveing, 25 Mar 1836. Liveing Archive 26a-b HL
My dear Henry,
You promised to write when you were last here to say truth I have thought it long in coming, however when it did come it was dictated in kindness, I heartily wish I could say that your dear Father is better, O, no, I cannot - I think that his infirmities and indisposition increases, we can scarcely get anything to suit, his appetite is so indifferent - eggs are his main support, I hope that he won't take a dislike to them, or I know not what we shall do - he has very often restless nights - and when he can't rest - he can't let me - so that we are generally in bed late in a morning, as I am glad to get sleep at one time if I can't at another, as I am neither well, nor strong. I am ever taking fresh cold, which always produces cough - and ever indisposes me very much - I am also much troubled with shortness of breath and am still hysterical altho not in so alarming a degree as when I last saw you - no one can tell the suffering I endured then it amounted at times to horrible despair. God almighty preserve you - and I - and all that are near, and dear to us (in particular) from so dreadful a state amen - God hear my prayer - poor dear F complains much of difficulty of breathing - I often think (not only from our length of years but from so much weakness, and from so many infirmities) that our own thread of life must be nearly spent - O pray for us - pray for yourself that you with us, and all of us may be gathered into one fold under the Great Shepherd. Oh may your father say, in the great day, here am I, with my wife and all the children thou has given me. Oh God for Christ's sake hear and grant this great request - amen - amen - yesterday morning I was reading God's command to Ezekiel (the third chapter) to warn the people - you have well considered the chapt I trust - you are an appointed watchman - O be careful to be a diligent one pray - and look up to God for help - that you may rightly divide the word of truth - that
you may warn the guilty, (and who are not guilty? altho we are strangely apt to overlook our own faults, while the faults of others glare in our eyes) and encourage the weak hearted who are bound down under the sense of weight of sins - by lifting up weak hands and strengthening the feeble knees - as the Scripture directs - O be careful to represent sin as so hateful to God that he cannot not in endure it in his sight - set forth his exceedingly great love for man - that He sent His beloved only Son to endure such suffering on the cross represent the excessive weight of sin - of such poor unworthy creatures oppressed His Holy Soul so heavily that he swet drops of blood running down to the ground from His body - exclaiming was ever sorrow like unto my sorrow - all this and much more the blessed Saviour endured to save us from everlasting sufferings - think what a mighty mercy - what great kindness it would be thus to suffer for friends - but He suffered for his enemies, O wonderful!! Enlarge on the subject - be preparing a sermon for Good Friday - find the way to the heart if you possibly can - exalt Christ to the utmost of your power - and O dear Henry what speaks louder - or so loud as a pious life, let your sermons live in you - O humble self under the mighty hand of God put down pride make a point of it, or it will surely keep you out of heaven - no pride lives there it lives more - or less - in all hearts - let it be regarded by you as a great energy that will minder your everlasting happiness - when I am gone you will have no one to remind you of easily besetting sins - and I am not very likely to write many more letters welcome or unwelcome to you- we all need a touch stone to enliven our sluggish hearts who are dreadfully apt to sleep - and rest quietly in the sin although death is in the slumber - death eternal -perhaps you'll say I have drawn a sad picture - but surely it is a faithful one - may the God of heaven make you a faithful Minister - O entreat Him that He may give you his holy spirit without his aid you can do nothing as you ought - consider your holy calling, O may you honour God - O may you
have the great blessing of winning souls to Him - and after all may you be converted - that your soul may be healed and saved with a mighty Salvation - be careful to be well prepared with proper portions of Scripture when you visit the Sick - may you be a blessing to them in leading them to God - by showing them what sin is - for many are insensible of very many sins - and draw them by kind persuasion to confess them to God - and to humble themselves under his Mighty hand - for all pain and sickness - no doubt is the fruit of sin and sickness is to reprove us for it - sometimes it is sent as a trial of faith - may God be ever with you - and send these truths home to your own soul - O pray for me - for I with truth acknowledge that I am vile and full of sin - O God wash me in the atoning blood of Christ - "O wash me Saviour or I die" - O wash us all dear Father dear Sons and daughters amen amen
I have not time add much more - we have had a great mortality among the aged in particular within the last month - amongst them old Mrs Stevens is gone. Should Edw come to see us have anything you have that wants repairing put together and send them - or bring them when you come - I am glad that you give satisfaction you must look over little things - so that great things go on well - for none of us can have everything right or rather to our wishes "the sun shines no where blessed? but in heaven" so that we shall be miserably disappointed if we expect it.
Once more God bless you - accept our united love
believe me your
remember us to Uncle and Aunt and to Mr and Miss Whitmore
March 25, 1836 Friday
The Rev HT Liveing
Written on two sides of one sheet sealed with red sealing wax, endorsed, Mrs L March 26, 1836.
73. Notes on Harriets Wedding: Author Unknown, Undated.
Notes on Harriet Harrold and the Liveing's by an unidentified Liveing
Mr Crowden came to Harwich to enter as being MP (was appointed Collector of Customs) and went a great deal to Gt Grandf Harrold - she got him an old servant (a widow Read) for his servant. She put her daughter to board at a Fisher? Mr Crowden's saw the daughter and thought it a pity her and said to Mrs L if you will clothe me I'll send her to school. So she went to school with Grandmama Liveing at Emsted Market. Mr Crowden also ye called Grandmama Liveing (Miss Harold) his daughter Little Polly Elizth Reid spent holidays at Harolds. Mr Crowden made her his ward when about 20. She died in her confinement, child lived 10 months lie in Harwich. Mr Crowden then left and went to Hull. Mr Harold was Mr Crowden's chief clerk ("Blaze" (John) Batten nicknamed for light in ? sent on a wild goose chase to Mr Crowden dying bed at Hull.)
Miss Harold's marriage. While Mr Crowden was at Harwich this took place. She was aged 24. The wedding was to be very grand and Mr Crowden gave the feast and was very liberal and kind on the occasion. He had always made a great pet of her. The Post Chaises were at Harwich to take them off to Michael Stow Hall, Ramsay where Mr Crowdens country house was, all the clergy in the County invited and were there.
Our Grandfather dearly loved to have his head combed, used to say Julia come and comb my head for a penny sometimes it was 6d. He had a six inch pigtail tied up with ribbons a little bit of leather at top where it fixed in
These pigtails were the natural hair a little piece of leather tied round at the base and a piece of ribbon half inch wound up and down bows at top the end turned up like a drakes tail the used to call coft sic (cue) liveing the A ? ?
He also had a house in Harwich invitd to all people in neighbourhood and a large assembly. He gave her a silver teapot and other things never was such a wedding seen there bells rang at 3 churches en route poor Captain Liveing was so abashed by the display he would have sunk into an egg shell. Mr Crowden was court dressed in blue satin Swale clothes, waistcoat. Why Aunt Ambrose was This wedding of course took place before Mr Crowden own The young lady ? he had brought up did not ? marrying him.
Miss Harold (ye bride) was dressed in dove colour silk dress, open in skirt over a blue satin petticoat. The body to a ? and little straps of trimming round. Long white lace aprons High-heeled narrow shoes 2 and three-quarter inches ? And coming down to 1 inch ? red ? on every ?
She also wore bell hoops made of brown holld and ? (sketch of a bell) sleaves to elbow with 3 deep lace ruffles just below elbow such sleeves and single ruffle were commonly worn
She was only half a yard and half a quarter of a yard round the waist. She was a very fine figure, and falling shoulders, beautiful hair curling naturally, dark brown. The said to Mr Crowden "I can't walk through the streets he said oh my dear you must it is quite right to let the people see you and know you are married".
The Deave paid Mr Crowden sums of money for, getting them command of packet boats. At that time Captain Liveing would willingly have paid L200 a year to him to get him command as
the command used to make thousands a year. He did get Captain Liveing office of mate in Cutter Captain Liveing got this command of Packet much later.
Mr Crowden was godfather to Aunt Ambrose and Uncle William and Uncle Thomas. He sent Aunt a £5 note when 14 old. This she thought was only introducion to what she was expecting, it however never came. She was named Julia after his mother. Mr Crowden lived after his first wife's death at Hull he was worth L40,000 himself and then he married an old maid worth 60,000. He left his property to Thomas Crowden his nephew. Mr Crowden used to ask if his friends and knew the Yorkshire ? Coat of arms - a flea a fly and a magpie. A flea bites every mans back, a fly dips into every mans dirt, a magpie chats about every mans business.
He gave Mrs Liveing when he left all his first wife's beautiful baby linen Aunt Ambrose has one cuff now. In Michaelstow Hall they danced there was an organ the pipes of which went up to the roof. Our Great grandmother Liveing always had a white satin dress to sit up in and receive company with tea after her confinements. Such dresses were kept laid up after use. It was afterwards died pink for our Great aunt Saunders and trimmed with foxes fur.
The best chintz prints at that time were 4 shillings and 5 shillings a yard the ladies embroidered skirts used to be cut up and shared for gents waistcoats; beer very strong; 3 combs of malt cost 27 shillings and was made into a hogshead of ale (now,1870, malt 32 shillings per comb) half a pint of beer need to make you queer.
The money made by Packets was by passengers, that being almost the only commission in the contract. My Grandfather made L600 in 7 weeks; the most he ever made.
Once a dead man lodged on boat as they pulled in once they had at Harwich a cargo of fish worth L100 instead of going to Gravesend they went into Harwich harbour which was then all covered with ice most severe cold bout Grandfather xposed and got facial palsey & ? up he never ?
Great grandmother Liveing died when our grandfather was very young. His mother was 43 and he the Benjamin1 when she died. His sister Sarah died of smallpox. He had 3 brothers Phillips who all died. When his mother died his aunt Saunders kept house and an old woman. His father lived later - he used to go to bed at 10 o'clock every night after a hot supper. Grandfather was once out 14 days for gales of wind off Dogger Bank without changing his clothes. He was once washed off deck by a wave and washed on again by the next. When he got to his fathers and knocked he looked down and said oh boy I never expected to see you again. They used to get codfish and killed by knocking on head. Once he went in a rowing boat to London to catch the market, probably from below Gravesend. Smacks never went ?
1. The last born see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin
The transcriber has not identified the author of these notes, the writing is very like that of Capt William Liveing, Harriet's son ?, possibly part of the notes are by Julia Ambrose nee Liveing. There are two sets of the notes, which vary, in different hands.
Crowden has not been traced and does not appear to have been the owner of Michaelstow Hall Ramsey ESS at that time. Little has been verified, the tone and interest in the garments suggest it was written by a woman, but the hand suggests a man, the description of relationships confuses.
E L Fenn 2014.
74. Further Notes on Harriets Family: Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Undated.
These notes largely mirror those above.
75. Harriet's Letters: To Her Daughter-in-Law Catherine Mary Downing, Apr 1836.
Harwich friday afternoon
My dear Katy
I received a letter from Henry on Wednesday wherein he says that you would be all glad to hear how we do, I heartily wish that I could report better but that is not the case - poor dear Father is very sadly he says he gets daily weaker - I don't know that he is exactly so, but certainly he is very weak - he talks sometimes of laying in bed, not being able to get up - however I thank God that has not at present been the case - he gets up very late and so we all do as we have very frequently restless nights - I am glad to get sleep also as I can for I cannot do very well without, as I am very far from well, or strong. I tell my poor husband except that he is paralysed he is as strong as I otherwise, we have seen all our best days and are fast going into Eternity. I cannot neglect to say how often his Father says I wish I could see Edwd once more - I ever reply that I would write and tell him what he says but at the same time I remark, that I cannot see how he can leave home, as so much depends on him - however as he has poor thing so repeatedly expressed his desire I could but tell him - whether he can comply or not.
His appetite is bad we can rarely get anything that he likes if it was not for eggs I don't know how he would be supported, he has liked pigeons now and then when we could get one, now because we have at several times gotten three he dont wish for any more - knowing that you and Edward are fond of them Harriet bespoke half a dozen when they could be obtained, these I have now sent were brought this morning, they are
wood birds as you will see, Harriet thinks the flavour of them is higher than the tame pigeons. I hope they will prove acceptable
I had a letter from Charles on Wednesday written in haste he is so full of business and says Mary is a good clerk to him and but for her services he knows not whether he should be able to get through - to use his own words "Mary has become a useful and diligent clerk to me, she is much better than half the clerks in our office and better than nine tenths of government clerks in general, she is both quick and correct and comprehends directly what is explained to her, she spares me much labour - I don't think I could get through without her help" - he adds that if it please God he proposes going to Mrs Freeman's on the night before good friday and return on Saturday (or I think on Monday) he has business of importance to settle of Mrs Freemans - he means to leave Mary behind for a week - it's a good thing that she can help him - and it is a good thing for a woman to stand high in her husband's eyes is it not?
I am glad to learn that you are all pretty well - and hope that your children will improve in health at Copford your kind and good Mothers health is a mercy to you I know - as well as to herself at this stage of life we can hardly look for such a blessing - and your poor Aunt Sally - I am very glad to learn that she is at all able to get out - she has had a solitary life - so lonely - having no near friend to be always with her - I think she has a better situation now - only see a few different faces relieves dullness sometimes and you now and then call on her for a few minutes oftener then you did when she lived further from you - remember me
and tell her when ever I think of her I enjoy her little change of life for her account. Yesterday Harriet recd a letter from Tom wherein he says (after speaking of his medical employments etc) "I hope you will make no objection to my accepting my Uncle Henry's invitation to stay with him the holidays which will be after the 14th of April till the first of May" (he must be back on the first of May) "I have set my heart on it and it will cost as much for my board in London as my expenses in getting backward and forward" I am thinking that Edwd may be glad of his services to put up medicine for the time that he may have a little leisure. Harriet also had a letter from Robert who says he believes that Tom is very diligent and careful as far as he can respecting expenses to avoid them as much as may be - Charles also says that he has no doubt of his doing well - as he is fully determined to study and learn and to comprehend what is taught him as far as he is able. I pray God that he may eventually do well for his poor mother's sake as well as his own - poor Robert is much attached to him he appears to have a fatherly regard for him - he looks (as far as he can) to his spiritual concerns as well as his temporal - he is indeed a brother and a real friend. I believe that he strives to be a Christian - I can but feel a great regard for him - he is strictly honest in every sense of the word I really think - what a comfort to parents to see and know that their children are well disposed to be near God oneself is the first of course - next to that our near - and dear friends - God of His great goodness grant that you and I dear Catherine and all who are near and dear to us may be at the great day gathered into one fold under the great and Good Shepherd. God for Christ's sake hear our prayers I say our prayers because I am sure that you will unite with me in a hearty amen - so be it -I have only time to add love to all friends I don't forget Mrs Downing
believe me your affectionate mother
This letter is undated with three notes:
"no date but evidently April 1836 see letter to Julia Ambrose of 7 Ap 1836" (In the hand of EHL)
"the date is evidently Ap 1836 - see letter to Julie Ambrose Ap 1836" - EHL. (Edward Henry T Liveing ?)
My grandmother Liveing to my mother no date, she writes of my grandfather as paralysed and Tom Fenn studying medicine in London. GDL (George Downing Liveing)
Written on three sides of one page folded, tucked into itself, and sealed with a crosshatched seal. Scanned. The letter to Julia Ambrose referred to has not been traced. 2007
Original in Fenn archive Ref L11
76. Harriet's Letters: To Her Son Edward, 10 Jun 1836.
Harwich June 10, 1836
My dear Edwd
We are all heartily glad that it has pleased God to deal so favourably with dear Catherine and we all unite with you in returning the Almighty thanks and praise for his great mercy shown her - I pray God to take her and her baby under his divine care then O'time to eternity also the same earnest desire we have for you and all those who are near and dear to us. Pray give our love to her and say that her safety is much relief and comfort to our minds - I wrote to Henry a few days since, and requested him to answer my letter very soon so I expect to hear from him every post if he does write soon request him to say how poor Katy does, if not, I hope you all one of your family will write, for we shall be very glad to hear of her well doing - I thought by what you said yesterday that the event was nearer than you expected, the feelings that she generally experience told her so and me to - I was thankful but not surprised by this morning's account - poor Mrs Downing I suppose did not hear of the affair till all was over - remember us to her, and said that we congratulate her on this happy occasion - may the child prove a blessing to you and all of yours I think I should like her name should be Harriet if no one has chosen another name, whom it is right that you should pay attention to. I think the name may bring your Mother to your mind sometimes, when I am gone - putting aside palsy - I think I am as feeble as your father - and I am very much annoyd by difficulty of breathing pains of body and back and rheumatism in my limbs
all these and many more ailings are the consequences of years - I often tell your poor Father - and that God is leading us both into Eternity by gentle steps which is His mercy and goodness He sends, that we may be warned to prepare for the great change - O may He grant us the grace of His Holy Spirit - for without His guidance we can do nothing as we ought no - although it is for our everlasting interest - for without divine aid and defence, the God of this world, will blind our eyes and harden our hearts - unite your prayers with ours, that it may please God to carry us safely through this world, to the world of rest, God Almighty give us repentance unto life - and firm faith in the merits of the Saviour, with the blessings of Pardon and peace Amen Amen
we were much struck to hear of the death of poor Hent. . . . . for Henry said she had been very ill, but she was recovering and that you hoped she might have her general health better in future - poor Henry we are very much sorry for him as well - for it must have made him very uncomfortable if not ill as I know that he is a very nervous subject - Harriet heard of the solemn event at market by accident I wrote to him on the subject and observed to him that perhaps Mrs Harrold or Katy might have recommended a proper person and requested him to let me hear from him as soon as he could for if neither of the above had thought of someone - then we would endeavour to seek for one, and at the same time observed that it was indeed a very difficult thing to find a person in every way fit - I observed at his first going to housekeeping that he must be sure not to take a young person - for altho the parties were ever so innocent, in the eye of the world they would not be esteemed as such - and that a good name was much sooner lost then
regain'd - nay perhaps it never would be recovered and in particular what a blemish to a man in his situation it would be, even to be thought criminal - my dear Katy I hope will impress the like thoughts on his mind, I know he values her, if she can think of a proper person I shall feel indebted to her to do her best for him for I really don't know of one - without Mrs Dick Westhorp would undertake it but I don't know that she would be willing to go out but she has only her wits to live by - she has a little house and furniture but nothing else - she is of good age and is a very respectable person above the common sort - remarkably clean and a good manager and caretaker to do the best as they were much reduced by long and severe illnesses. I don't know that her health is the best but she has held out wonderfully in nursing her husband for several years and after his death she nursed her mother for a year and half.
We have gotten the tincture - but have forborne to press the taking it as he has taken opening pills today which generally disposes him to sickness - indeed he often complains of being sickish when he has taken nothing to make him so. Harriet and I are frequently grieved at meal times to see him as we are much afraid that he wont take enough food to support his weak frame - we will get the medicine down if possibly we can - I pray God to send his blessing with it - Harriet bids me ask whether you have heard anything of Tom since he left Nayland - she has not - she has always her fears that he may cut himself remembering the danger you were in at the hospital.
I had a letter from Amelia and a few days since - she says her poor father has been alarmingly ill with inflamed windpipe - and again by spasms in his stomach and bowel obstruction -- and her brother Edwd has had a sharp attack of influenza and Louise such a violent termination of blood to the brain that they almost despaired of her life -- they all soon recovered - thank God - Mrs Harrold is poorly by the tenor of her letter I am led to hope that she may have become as
pious as her truly Christian sister was - I told Henry that I should take opportunity of sending it that you may all see it.
that God may bless you and all of you is the prayer of your Affectionate Mother
remember us kindly to Mrs Harrold and love to my brother - to be the father of eight children what an important trust!!! Oh think much - and pray more for divine help that you may set them a good example and bring them up in the fear of God, and to the love and honour of His name may God be with you and all of you for ever more Amen
Written on four sides of one sheet, folded inserted and sealed, endorsed post paid, showing a postmark Harwich 10 JU 1836.
Note in George Downing Liveing's hand "from my grandmother living to my father on the birth of my sister Harriet June 1836"
Original in Fenn archive Ref L12
77. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Date uncertain. Liveing Archive 140a-d LT12
78. Harriet's Letters: To daughter Julia Ambrose nee Liveing, Undated. Liveing Archive 141a-d LT12
79. Memories of Harriet's death: From Anna Marie Howard & Edward Liveing, 1 Jul 1898.
In 1836 died at Harwich old Capt Liveing, my grandfather, whom I can remember.
January 1837 my grandmother, nee Harold, his widow, died of influenza (bronchitis) epidemic, at my father's house at Nayland. My sister Fanny (at 13) escaped influenza and waited on her grandmother.
Mrs Liveing was taken ill quite unexpectedly while staying at Nayland and she and her daughter Mrs Fenn were still in occupation of the house at Harwich and she was on the lookout for a house in Colchester to be under the ministrations of an excellent evangelical Divine Mr Carr of St Peter's Colchester also to be near Copford (her daughter Mrs Ambrose) and Nayland her son Edward.
I well remember when she was dying my father getting . . . . . inhaling apparatus for her, and we small children (I was five) being sent over the way to my grandmother Downing's to be out of the way.
Uncle Henry T Liveing MA was curate at Hadley Suffolk when his father died (1836). He was born in 1805: died 1884.
Memories by Anna Maria Howard my sister, July 1, 1898.
Harriet married Commander Thomas LIVEING R N  [MRIN: 77], son of Robert LIVEING  and Sarah HEARN , on 7 Sep 1786 in St Nicholas Harwich ESS. (Commander Thomas LIVEING R N  was born on 16 Mar 1760, baptised on 23 Apr 1760 in Harwich ESS, died on 30 Aug 1836 and was buried in Harwich Churchyard.)